Open Thread and Link Farm, Half Amused Edition

  1. Strawmanny Questions About Genital Preference, Part One | Thing of Things
    “I recently stumbled across this set of questions for trans people about sexual orientation and genital preferences. Since there is nothing I enjoy more than answering strawmanny questions, I decided to help…”
  2. A Picture of Change for a World in Constant Motion – The New York Times
    This is a really enjoyable article about a 1830 woodblock print by Katsushika Hokusai: “Ejiri in Suruga Province.” But what’s really amazing about it, for me, is the format; as you scroll down the article, the view of the print changes, zooming in on details the article is highlighting. An impressive use of web design to improve content.
  3. The Attack on Voting in the 2020 Elections – The New York Times (And an alternate link.)
    “As we approach an election in which the threat of voter fraud is being used as a justification for unprecedented legal and political interventions in our democratic process, it is important to understand what this claim actually represents: It is nothing short of a decades-long disinformation campaign…”
  4. A man’s journey from dismissing to getting sick and spreading coronavirus – The Washington PostHow a conservative’s covid denial destroyed his family.
  5. The Supreme Court will hear a case that could destroy what remains of the Voting Rights Act – Vox
  6. Trump’s New Supreme Court Is Coming for the Next Elections
  7. “Lovers make the easiest marks”: Profile of a romance scammer
  8. Does Call of Duty Believe in Anything? – YouTube
    A 25-minute video about how ridiculous it is to insist, as the creators do, that this hugely successful video game series is “not political.”
  9. US democracy is broken: How to fix voting rights, elections, the Senate, and the Electoral College – Vox
    Humanitarian Camp Raided by Border Patrol and BORTAC, 30+ People Arrested – UNICORN RIOT
    Because God forbid that any unauthorized migrant fail to suffer an incredibly awful death. These people would have 100% been on the concentration camp side during the Holocaust, while making similar excuses.
  10. Inside eBay’s Cockroach Cult: The Ghastly Story of a Stalking Scandal – The New York Times (Alternate link.)
    Who knew Ebay had what was, in effect, a dirty ops team? And an incompetent one, at that.
  11. Meet the Customer Service Reps for Disney and Airbnb Who Have to Pay to Talk to You — ProPublica
  12. The Monkeys You Ordered: New Yorker cartoons with literal captions.
  13. The Mythical Taboo on Race and Intelligence – John P. Jackson, Andrew S. Winston, 2020
    “There are two rival explanations for why hereditarian research is not widely accepted outside their small circle of researchers. The first is the banal explanation is that they are not, in fact, producing reliable and empirically robust, scientifically meaningful conclusions; an explanation clearly unacceptable to hereditarians. Thus, they offer their rival explanation: there is an unacceptable political dogma preventing discussing the scientific truth of racial differences.”

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28 Responses to Open Thread and Link Farm, Half Amused Edition

  1. 1
    Nancy Lebovitz says:

    As far as I can tell, Ebay didn’t choose to have a dirty ops team, and I wonder how big companies can keep that sort of thing from happening when mid-level employees take the initiative to make abuse happen. I *think* the solution is to have a robust anonymous complaint system.

  2. 2
    Petar says:

    Hannibal Barca (probably the most well known Phoenician military leader)
    Scipio Africanus (one of the greatest Rome generals)
    Cleopatra (the last Ptolemaic ruler of Egypt)
    Alexander Pushkin (the greatest Russian poet)
    Alexandre Dumas (the most widely read French writer)

    What do they have in common?

  3. 3
    Corso says:

    @2

    They’re Goats.

  4. 4
    Görkem says:

    @Petar: They all have some connection to Africa. For Barca and Cleopatra it is obvious, Scipio Africanus won his most notable victories in Africa (hence the name) and both Dumas and Pushkin were of partly African descent.

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    Petar says:

    Yes, Görkem, that’s an indisputable connection between them. But there are two more things that are less common and that they all share among themselves, but not with the one billion living and a few billions dead humans who are connected to Africa.

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    Petar says:

    Görkem that’s an undisputable connection between them. But there are two more things that are less common and that they all share among themselves, but not with the one billion living and a few billions dead humans who are connected to Africa.

    I’ll throw in a hint. The only reason that King Cole isn’t in the group above is that he is not a real historical character.

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    nobody.really says:

    What do they have in common?

    * * *

    The only reason that King Cole isn’t in the group above is that he is not a real historical character.

    Well, that nixes my idea; I was going to say “polysyllabic names.”

    So, they all … have pipes? Bowls? Three fiddlers? Are old and merry?

  8. 8
    nobody.really says:

    In 2013, Amp and Rachel Swirsky published their second cartoon. This one depicted Shakespeare being arrested for (arguably) violating copyright laws.

    To forestall the possibility of that occurring today, our contemporary Shakespeare had crafted a solution–but only with respect to lyrics. Solution for music coming soon.

    (Oh–I see this is already noted in Amp’s Twitter feed!)

  9. 9
    Mookie says:

    they all … have pipes? Bowls? Three fiddlers? Are old and merry?

    Now I’m picturing an entire continent (and anyone ever having traveled there) deprived of ever growing old. Atlantis, okay, but I’m almost positive Africans sometimes achieve senescence before death. 99 percent sure, IANAL.

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    RonF says:

    Open thread, so I can ask something completely irrelevant to any posted topics:

    Amp, you re-tweeted something from one Ketan Joshi that showed one person of Indian ancestry dressed in what looks to my unpracticed eye like something reasonably traditional (although quite simplistic) and a whole bunch of blindingly Caucasian people dressed the same way dancing in a mock Bollywood routine. From the context of the tweet I presume that the white folks are the “Wiggles”. The tweet also refers to “desi folk”. My question is, who are “desi folk”? I am not at all familiar with the term. From context I presume it refers to people of Indian sub-continent heritage, but is it more specific than that? Is this a term that is commonly accepted for general use by people of non-Indian subcontinent ancestry?

  11. 11
    Ampersand says:

    LOL at “blindingly Caucasian!”

    Here’s the tweet Ron is referencing.

    I’ll just quote Wikipedia:

    Desi [d̪eːsi] are the people, cultures, and products of the Indian subcontinent and their diaspora, derived from Ancient Sanskrit देश (deśá), meaning Land or Country. Although “desi” is sometimes viewed as a loose term, and countries that are considered “desi” are subjective, it is accepted that the desi trace their origin specifically to the countries of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

    Desi isn’t a slur, and I believe anyone can use the word.

  12. 12
    RonF says:

    LOL at “blindingly Caucasian!”

    I thought you’d like that!

  13. 13
    Görkem says:

    Uhhhh no offense Amp but I am not sure you are a source of truth re: the offensiveness or not of the term “Desi”, what with you being a non-Desi person yourself.

    Petar if you really want to know more about this term and its implications I suggest asking somebody from this community who is comfortable talking to you about this, not random white people on the internet.

  14. 14
    Ampersand says:

    Görkem, that’s a fair point. FWIW, I’m just repeating what I’ve heard and read desi people say.

    Googling around now, the answers I’m finding from desi people who have addressed this question vary from (paraphrased, see links below to read desi people in their own words) “not at all, it’s what we call ourselves” to “it’s okay for white people to call us desi, but the term is actually complicated and means different things in different contexts” to “white people always mispronounce it.” I didn’t find anyone desi saying it’s offensive for white people to use the word, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t desi folks who say that.

    Anil Dash, a blogger I read on and off, wrote:

    A primer on South Asians and Desis: Sometimes I describe our people, including people in the South Asian diaspora as “desi”. This is essentially an in-group term meaning “a person of South Asian descent”. It’s not offensive if other people use it, though it may sound a bit affected. Do note, though, that some people don’t like using “desi” as a demonym, as it elides the history of marginalized cultures in the subcontinent, and perhaps perpetuates casteism in the diaspora. I didn’t grow up using the word, and don’t speak Hindi, so I’m still learning about this connotation!

    A couple more links:

    Is it offensive for a white American to use the term 'desi' to describe someone from the subcontinent? – Quora

    ABCDesis: This is kind of interesting. In a reddit forum for Desis, there seems to be agreement that it’s not an offensive term in the U.S., but in India it can be an insult, basically meaning “hick.”

    (The term ABCD stands for “American-Born Confused Desi“).

  15. 15
    Petar says:

    Petar if you really want to know more about this term and its implications I suggest asking somebody from this community who is comfortable talking to you about this, not random white people on the internet.

    How did I get mixed up with the ‘Desi’ discussion?

    By the way, it’s a term I avoid, because it means different things to different people, and I tend to avoid those unless there is no alternative.

  16. 16
    Görkem says:

    Sorry Petar, I mixed you up with RonF. Don’t know how I managed that, my bad.

  17. 17
    Petar says:

    I just took the Magnificent One’s advice, and asked one of my neighbors about ‘Desi’. He’s married to a Serbian, and told me that the word is incredibly close to the Serb/Bulgarian/Russian ‘земљак/земляк’. They all share the root land.

    (The rest of the post is me paraphrasing him, i.e. I cannot vouch for it.)

    They can be used to indicate that someone comes from the same land as you. They can both be taken the wrong way, if you are suspected of claiming a relationship to which you are not entitled. And they both can be taken to mean that you think someone is a uncouth peasant.

    Definitely a word that can get you in trouble in some situations, but also very useful if you wish to insult while maintaining deniability. Almost no one will take offense, and even those who do may be made to feel bad about it. On the upside, you could pretend to be offended by people using it to describe themselves, as it can mean pure, and can be deliberately misunderstood as pretentious and exclusive.

    In my experience, it would be better to figure out whether you are dealing with an Indian, Pakistani or Bangladeshi, and use the appropriate appellation.

  18. 18
    nobody.really says:

    Blah, blah, desi, blah….

    So what do Hannibal Barca, Scipio Africanus, Cleopatra, Alexander Pushkin, and Alexandre Dumas have in common, dammit?

  19. 19
    RonF says:

    “Sorry Petar, I mixed you up with RonF. Don’t know how I managed that, my bad.”

    I asked Amp because he was the one who used it. I have multiple options at work to ask people born and raised on the Indian subcontinent about the word, come to think of it.

  20. 20
    RonF says:

    nobody.really:

    They all have two “A”s in their names.

    New question:

    Yesterday I tried to look at a tweet. To that end I attempted to log into Twitter. Upon entering in my ID and PW I got prompted to enter in my cell phone number so they could text me a confirmation code.

    Looks like I’ve sent my last tweet, because there’s no way in Hell I’m giving them my cell phone number. Has this happened to anyone else?

  21. 21
    Ampersand says:

    Ron: Isn’t that called two-factor authentication? I’ve definitely had that happen. It’s a “happens once in a while” thing, not a “happens every time” thing. A lot of companies seem to think it’s a lot more secure.

    I do find it odd that they didn’t give you an option other than the cell phone, though. Usually there’s an alternative method.

  22. 22
    nobody.really says:

    So what do Hannibal Barca, Scipio Africanus, Cleopatra, Alexander Pushkin, and Alexandre Dumas have in common, dammit?

    They all have two “A”s in their names.

    …THAT is the answer I’ve been pondering for weeks?

    Now I feel like a total Dumas….

  23. 23
    Görkem says:

    Usually I would stand up for 2FA as an authentication method, but the less people tweeting, the better.

    BTW Ron, a word of advice, be careful when approaching people to ask questions like “is Desi offensive”? Just remember it is not their job to educate any random straight white man who wants to stick his nose into their culture because he has a passing curiosity.

  24. 24
    Petar says:

    So what do Hannibal Barca, Scipio Africanus, Cleopatra, Alexander Pushkin, and Alexandre Dumas have in common, dammit?

    They all have two “A”s in their names.

    …THAT is the answer I’ve been pondering for weeks?

    Now I feel like a total Dumas….

    Alexandre Dumas has three As in his name.

    Also, Dumas is pronounced /dʊˈmɑː/

    Little relation to dumbass /dʌmæs/

    I mean, they have no vowels in common, and only two out of three consonants match.

    —–

    Also, Hannibal Barca has four As in his name. If you want the real answer you have to follow where Görkem’s guess leads.

  25. 25
    nobody.really says:

    Now I feel like a total Dumas….

    Dumas is pronounced /dʊˈmɑː/

    Little relation to dumbass /dʌmæs/

    Wait–what? I said I feel like a total Dumas–that is, I feel like a great author.

    Who mentioned dumbass? What are you trying to say?

  26. 26
    Petar says:

    Appologies. I just made an ass of U and Me. Now I feel like a pollster.

  27. 27
    RonF says:

    Gorkem, it’s not a passing curiosity. I work with several people from the Indian subcontinent. I would not wish to offend them – and asking *them* what the word means could inadvertently be analogous to asking a black person what “n****r” means. Finally, I don’t consider Amp to be a random white person with regard to these matters, and he after all is the person who used the word.

    Amp: yes, it’s two-factor authentication. But I don’t recall seeing any warning that they were going to start instituting it as a requirement – and, as you say, generally one is offered multiple options (e.g., a message sent to your e-mail on file). I am NOT giving Twitter my cell phone number. The best way to secure information is to not share it in the first place. Once they get it I’m dependent on a) them not misusing it and b) them not being careless with their security. And based on what I see in my company I imagine that their user database is under constant assault.

    Question; in another thread I just got banned from further comment because I used the term “biological sex”. I was told that I have been warned not to use that term as it is offensive. First, I am amazed that it would be considered offensive. Second, I have absolutely no recollection of having been told that it was unacceptable. When the heck did this happen?

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    Petar says:

    RonF, the preferred term is “assigned sex”. I only know because I have a very good friend who is transgender. So, once there is a preferred term, using an alternative term is often considered hostile. I can understand why. I may not like unilateral changes to the tone of words, but it’s the way it is.

    It does not help that some well-known people have used “biological sex” in tirades aimed at transgender people.