{"id":1007,"date":"2004-08-02T07:50:04","date_gmt":"2004-08-02T15:50:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2004\/08\/02\/various-same-sex-marriage-links\/"},"modified":"2004-08-02T07:50:04","modified_gmt":"2004-08-02T15:50:04","slug":"various-same-sex-marriage-links-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1007","title":{"rendered":"Various same-sex marriage links"},"content":{"rendered":"<ul>\n<li>I really<a href=\"http:\/\/ksfp2004.blogspot.com\/2004\/07\/at-what-price-marriage.html\"> enjoyed this post<\/a>, which &#8211; being on the right-wing Koch Fellows blog &#8211; might have escaped some &#8220;Alas&#8221; readers&#8217; notice. The author is arguing that even if same-sex marriage somehow weakens straight marriage (something SSM opponents have failed to prove, to put it mildly), it by no means follows logically that same-sex marriage ought be outlawed.\n<div class=\"snip\">If we&#8217;re judging the &#8220;strength&#8221; of straight marriage by indicators like the number of divorces and births out of wedlock, allow me to offer some social variables that strengthen straight marriage.  Where there is ess financial independence for women, divorces will be less common.  Where women have fewer choices and opportunities for education or work, more will seek security through marriage.  Excision certainly cuts down on infidelity.  And hey, for a sure-fire way to ensure the &#8220;strength&#8221; of marriage, as evaluated by births out of wedlock, try honor killings and radically enforced sharia (see also: northern Nigeria).  If we assigned an infinite value to stable straight marriage, we wouldn&#8217;t think twice about the necessity and value of the above.<\/div>\n<li>Gabriel Rosenberg has a must-read trilogy of posts (<a href=\"http:\/\/gabrielrosenberg.typepad.com\/galois\/2004\/07\/what_bugs_me_ab.html\">1<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/gabrielrosenberg.typepad.com\/galois\/2004\/07\/but_its_not_dis.html\">2<\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/gabrielrosenberg.typepad.com\/galois\/2004\/07\/but_the_discrim.html\">3<\/a>) regarding sex discrimination and SSM. In particular, the last two posts &#8211; one responding to those who say <a href=\"http:\/\/gabrielrosenberg.typepad.com\/galois\/2004\/07\/but_its_not_dis.html\">hets-only marriage isn&#8217;t sex discrimination<\/a>, one responding to tose who say <a href=\"http:\/\/gabrielrosenberg.typepad.com\/galois\/2004\/07\/but_the_discrim.html\">hets-only marriage is justified sex discrimination <\/a>&#8211; are terrific.\n<li>Stephen Miller (conservative but pro-gay) reviews <a href=\"http:\/\/www.indegayforum.org\/culturewatch\/2004_07_25_archive.shtml#109115554341779529\">the Democratic Convention and finds it wanting<\/a>. Still, he expects the Republican convention to be even worse.\n<li>Along similar lines, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washblade.com\/2004\/7-23\/view\/columns\/allies.cfm\">Matt Foreman is disappointed <\/a>in the lackluster Democratic support for gays.\n<li>I&#8217;m a bit late in linking to this, but still: Dale Carpenter argues &#8211; I think persuasively &#8211; that there is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.indegayforum.org\/authors\/carpenter\/carpenter51.html\">no excuse for Kerry and Edwards to have skipped out on the Federal Marriage Amendment vote<\/a>.\n<li>Nearly all the Senate Democrats took Kerry&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;m against gay marriage but also against amending the (federal) constitution&#8221; line, but one honorable exception is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.washblade.com\/2004\/7-23\/view\/columns\/defending.cfm\">Ted Kennedy<\/a>, who calls a vote for the FMA &#8220;a vote for imposing discrimination, plain and simple, on all 50 states.&#8221; (Teddy does make one lousy argument, however: the FMA would not have told &#8220;churches they cannot consecrate a same-sex marriage.&#8221;)\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.commonman.org.uk\/blogmt\/archives\/000226.html\">The Common Man<\/a>, bouncing off a post of mine, discusses his own history to make the point that having opposite-sex parents isn&#8217;t a guarantee of anything.\n<li>I would have guessed that same-sex parenting was most common in places like Vermont and Northhampton, Massachusetts. I would have been wrong. According to the author of the Gay and Lesbian Atlas:\n<div class=\"snip\">The states where same-sex couples are most likely raising children are in order the top 10\u2014I won&#8217;t name all 50\u2014Mississippi, South Dakota, Alaska, South Carolina, Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Kansas, and Utah\u2014oh, and one more. And Arizona is number 10. [&#8230;]<\/p>\n<p>So while the atlas is, I think, good at demonstrating differences in the geographic and demographic characteristics between same-sex and different-sex couples, perhaps its most compelling contribution to the marriage debate is the extent to which these couples are similar and share many of the characteristics of their married counterparts.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>The quote comes from an Urban Institute discussion: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.urban.org\/Template.cfm?NavMenuID=24&#038;template=\/TaggedContent\/ViewPublication.cfm&#038;PublicationID=8855\">Marriages Made in Political Heaven: Families, Values, and the Election.<\/a> Thanks to Chairm for pointing this link out to me.<\/p>\n<li>The <a href=\"http:\/\/davidmorrison.typepad.com\/sed_contra\/2004\/07\/his_daddys_name.html\">debate over same-sex parenting<\/a> at Sed Contra continues. (Again, if anyone participates because of my link, please be very polite.)\n<li>New to the blogroll: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.freedomtomarry.org\/\">FreedomToMarry.org<\/a>.\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/stlatwork.careercast.com\/jsfeatured.php?lookid=stlatworkfj&#038;pp=10&#038;qRand=y\">Susan Frelich Appleton <\/a>argues for SSM from the anti-sex-discrimination angle.<\/ul>\n<p><a style=\"text-decoration:none\" href=\"\/index.php?p=deltasone-36-hour-online\">.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I really enjoyed this post, which &#8211; being on the right-wing Koch Fellows blog &#8211; might have escaped some &#8220;Alas&#8221; readers&#8217; notice. The author is arguing that even if same-sex marriage somehow weakens straight marriage (something SSM opponents have failed &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1007\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[50,112],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1007","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-link-farms","category-same-sex-marriage"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1007","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1007"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1007\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1007"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1007"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1007"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}