{"id":1254,"date":"2004-12-09T18:03:43","date_gmt":"2004-12-10T02:03:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2004\/12\/09\/some-same-sex-marriage-related-links\/"},"modified":"2004-12-09T18:03:43","modified_gmt":"2004-12-10T02:03:43","slug":"some-same-sex-marriage-related-links","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1254","title":{"rendered":"Some Same-Sex Marriage related links"},"content":{"rendered":"<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/tvnz.co.nz\/view\/news_national_story_skin\/463456?format=html\">New Zealand&#8217;s Parliament has passed a Civil Unions law<\/a>, which (in the NZ version) creates Civil Unions with all the same legal rights as &#8220;marriage,&#8221; and which are open to both same-sex and opposite-sex couples. (The legal category &#8220;marriage&#8221; still exists, but is open only to opposite-sex couples). I&#8217;m glad for New Zealand queers &#8211; nine-tenths of a loaf is better than none &#8211; and very much admire the NZ legislature for voting for an unpopular civil rights bill.\n<p>Interesting about this option being open to straights &#8211; which means that fewer straights will get married in the future. Funny, how the compromises necessary to appease the &#8220;protect marriage!&#8221; crowd sometimes end up weakening marriage far more than just letting same-sex couples get married would. (Thanks to &#8220;Alas&#8221; reader &#8220;Sarah in Chicago&#8221; for the tip!)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/hugoboy.typepad.com\/hugo_schwyzer\/2004\/12\/new_zealand_com.html\">Hugo has more <\/a>on this subject.<\/p>\n<li>Robert Hayes has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.legendgames.net\/myblog.asp?view=plink&#038;id=416\">finished his same-sex marriage series<\/a>, and actually winds up suggesting that &#8220;marriage&#8221; should be left to the churches, while the government should just provide &#8220;civil unions&#8221; to same- and opposite-sexers alike. Although there are details to quibble over, on the whole I&#8217;d find that an entirely acceptable solution; what I favor is legal equality, and Robert&#8217;s solution provides that. I doubt that many non-libertarian conservatives would be willing to live with it, though.\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/thurgood.blogspot.com\/2004_12_01_thurgood_archive.html#110261215522514593\">Mary at Stone Court <\/a>has an interesting (although very one-sided) post discussing the single parenthood and same-sex marriage issues as &#8220;dissensus politics,&#8221; political issues that become symbolic battles in the culture war.\n<li>Good bit from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.marriagedebate.com\/mdblog\/2004_11_28_mdblog_archive.htm#110211829395181055\">Rauch&#8217;s latest <\/a>in the ongoing Rauch\/Gallagher debate:\n<div class=\"snip\">Maggie sez: &#8220;The goal of the same-sex marriage movement is publicly and visibly to assert the legal and moral equality of same-sex and opposite-sex couples. If same-sex marriage is a civil right, this necessarily and intrinsically means that the fact that sex between men and women makes babies is not an important fact, socially or legally.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Sentence 1 is correct. But the second sentence should read, &#8220;If same-sex marriage is a civil right, this necessarily and intrinsically means that the fact that sex between men and women makes babies is not <i>THE ONLY <\/i>important fact, socially or legally.&#8221; Big difference, yes?<\/div>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>New Zealand&#8217;s Parliament has passed a Civil Unions law, which (in the NZ version) creates Civil Unions with all the same legal rights as &#8220;marriage,&#8221; and which are open to both same-sex and opposite-sex couples. (The legal category &#8220;marriage&#8221; still &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1254\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[112],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1254","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-same-sex-marriage"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1254","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1254"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1254\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1254"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1254"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1254"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}