{"id":1328,"date":"2005-01-26T14:57:29","date_gmt":"2005-01-26T22:57:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/01\/26\/my-brief-appearance-on-his-side-with-glenn-sacks\/"},"modified":"2005-01-26T14:57:29","modified_gmt":"2005-01-26T22:57:29","slug":"my-brief-appearance-on-his-side-with-glenn-sacks","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1328","title":{"rendered":"My brief appearance on "His Side with Glenn Sacks""},"content":{"rendered":"

I called in to “His Side with Glenn Sacks”<\/a> this past Sunday. The guest on the show was Hugo Schwyzer<\/a>, who has posted about the show a few times since Sunday.<\/p>\n

Anyhow, I’m too lazy to transcribe the entire show, but I’ll transcribe the tiny part I appeared in. (You can listen to a recording of the whole show here<\/a>.)<\/p>\n

I marked in the transcript where Glenn cut me off, because I thought otherwise people might wonder why I was suddenly uncharacteristically silent. However, no criticism of Glenn is implied: There are too many callers for him to spend a lot of time with just one caller, so he has to cut people off once they’ve made a point.<\/p>\n

The transcript probably isn’t 100% accurate, but it’s pretty close. It begins after Glenn has said the next caller is Barry from Portland, Oregon.<\/p>\n

GLENN: How you doing Barry?<\/p>\n

AMP: Hi, Glenn.<\/p>\n

GLENN: Barry agrees with Hugo. So what’s up, Barry?<\/p>\n

AMP: (laughs)<\/p>\n

GLENN: Hi, Barry.<\/p>\n

AMP: Hi, Nice to finally talk to you in person after all those emails. And hello to Hugo as well – you know me as Ampersand.<\/p>\n

GLENN: Oh, Ampersand! Alright, okay.<\/p>\n

HUGO: I sure do.<\/p>\n

GLENN: Alright, what’s up? Feminist blogger – Male feminist blogger Ampersand.<\/p>\n

AMP: Okay. Well I just wanted to say that there is an extent to which I do agree with the men’s rights movement. I do think that sexism harms men a lot. When you look at schoolyard bullying, when you look at the disproportionate male deaths in the workplace, when you look at the alienation from families for men who are working fifty or sixty hour weeks, the pressure to always be masculine and sexism in courtrooms that works against men sometimes. All of those are places where I think the men’s rights movement is really on to something.<\/p>\n

GLENN: However…<\/p>\n

AMP: However… The mistake made by the men’s rights movement is that you folks tend to think it’s a zero-sum game. You tend to think that, because men do have genuine complaints, that means you need to spend your time talking about how women don’t have genuine complaints. Which is why men’s righters like you do spend time writing column after column talking about how rape isn’t as serious a problem for women as feminists say it is, or that-<\/p>\n

GLENN: I don’t say it’s not as serious for the women who’s been raped, I say it’s not as common as feminists say.<\/p>\n

AMP: Right-<\/p>\n

GLENN: Let’s be clear, I don’t say that, for those women who actually are raped, I don’t say it’s not serious-<\/p>\n

AMP: Indeed. I wasn’t-<\/p>\n

GLENN: I was saying it’s not as common as feminists make it seem. Alright-<\/p>\n

AMP: If I may continue?<\/p>\n

GLENN: Well, I wanted to talk about your point here, Barry.<\/p>\n

AMP: Okay, well, the final point I’m making.<\/p>\n

GLENN: Alright, Barry, go ahead.<\/p>\n

AMP: That’s why I think the pro-feminist men’s movement has a better understanding of the situation. Because they understand that it’s not a zero-sum game. Or, I should say, “we.” We don’t say, “well, nothing bad ever happens to men, and no men suffer.” And we don’t have to spend our time talking about how – saying that deaths in the workplace is not a serious problem for men. Instead, we can understand that sexism is actually harming both women and men.<\/p>\n

GLENN: Okay. Barry, I can go with you there. [Hangs up on Amp.]<\/em> The thing is this: feminists have portrayed – and thank you for the call. Feminists have portrayed gender relations in the United States as a thing where all the advantages work in men’s favor, all the disadvantages work in women’s favor. They’ve exaggerated the advantages men have, they’ve exaggerated greatly the disadvantages women have. So that is why a lot of people like myself, in my writing and on my radio show, I do feel compelled to point out that women don’t have it anywhere near as bad as feminists say they do. And I do point out that men don’t have it anywhere near as good as feminists say, simply because that’s what I feel we have to do in order to have a real debate on these issues. We can’t have a real debate on these issues if we’re going to pretend that men have everything and women have nothing. Hugo, what do you think?<\/p>\n

HUGO: Well, I don’t think that any of us in the pro-feminist movement are saying that men have everything and women have nothing.<\/p>\n

GLENN: You come pretty close. (laughs)<\/p>\n

HUGO: No, I think – What Ampersand is absolutely right about is that we in the pro-feminist movement totally understand that male pain is real, that men are hurting. But men like yourself have misdiagnosed the cause of that hurt and you have misprescribed the cure for that pain.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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