{"id":13761,"date":"2011-07-12T15:47:09","date_gmt":"2011-07-12T22:47:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=13761"},"modified":"2011-07-12T15:47:49","modified_gmt":"2011-07-12T22:47:49","slug":"reply-to-george-ix-polygamy-and-incest","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=13761","title":{"rendered":"Reply to George: IX. Polygamy and Incest"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>[This post is part of a series analyzing Robert George&#8217;s widely-read article, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/papers.ssrn.com\/sol3\/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1722155\" target=\"_blank\">What is Marriage<\/a>&#8220;, which appeared on pages 245-286 of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. You can view all posts in the series\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/category\/george-what-is-marriage\/\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.]<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Page 259 (and also 250): In which Robert George doesn&#8217;t realize he&#8217;s made a case for recognizing incestuous and polygamous (and polygamously incestuous) marriages.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Polygamy and the revisionist\/common view<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Opponents of marriage equality <em>love<\/em> polygamy. They make a scarecrow out of it, wave him from their rooftop, and roll him down that shingled slippery slope to take out anyone on the ground who\u2019s thinking, <em>Perhaps equality under the law is a good thing after all.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>George seems to think his conjugal\/procreative view is the only thing holding back polygamy. In fact, however, the revisionist\/common view can argue powerfully against it, too. Here\u2019s George\u2019s own description of this view, which he so dislikes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Marriage is the union of two people (whether of the same sex or of opposite sexes) who commit to romantically loving and caring for each other and to sharing the burdens and benefits of domestic life. It is essentially a union of hearts and minds, enhanced by whatever forms of sexual intimacy both partners find agreeable.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>How does this relate to polygamy? Scholar Jonathan Rauch offers <a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=95IX-hTnVS8C&amp;lpg=PA22&amp;ots=pjgGUENPQp&amp;dq=If%20marriage%20has%20any%20meaning%20at%20all%2C%20it%20is%20that%20when%20you%20collapse%20from%20a%20stroke%2C%20there%20will%20be%20another%20person%20whose&amp;pg=PA22#v=onepage&amp;q=If\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If marriage has any meaning at all, it is that when you collapse from a stroke, there will be another person whose \u201cjob\u201d is to drop everything and come to your aid. Or that when you come home after being fired, there will be someone to talk you out of committing a massacre or killing yourself. To be married is to know there is someone out there for whom you are always first in line.<\/p>\n<p>No group could make such a commitment in quite the same way, because of a free-rider problem. If I were to marry three or four people, the pool of potential caregivers would be larger, but the situation would, perversely; make all of them less reliable: each could expect one of the others to take care of me (and each may be reluctant to do more than any of the others are willing to do\u00a0\u2014 a common source of conflict among siblings who need to look after an aging parent). The pair bond, one to one, is the only kind which is inescapably reciprocal, perfectly mutual. Because neither of us has anyone else, we are there for each other.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>A few months ago, crippling abdominal pain sent me to the emergency room late at night. <!--more-->My partner and I live together, so he was there when it hit me so suddenly. He drove me to the hospital, spoke with the doctor, asked and answered questions, and drove me home. Most of all, after they hopped me up on Dilaudid, he sat in a chair next to my bed, reading a book with his hand on my arm. The happiest part was knowing he would be there for whatever I needed, because he puts no one in his life prior to me.<\/p>\n<p>Polygamy, of course, means you cannot \u201cknow there is someone out there for whom you are always first in line.\u201d Well, that\u2019s not exactly true. In many traditions, polygamy means the husband will have several \u201csomeones\u201d who automatically put him first, but the wives will have none. This imbalance might explain why polygamy so often turns into exploitation.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve seen a few <a href=\"http:\/\/www.economist.com\/debate\/days\/view\/637\" target=\"_blank\">objections<\/a> to Rauch\u2019s view of marriage:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>We can here leave aside how odd this [idea of marriage] will sound to any married couple with young children, partners whose first responsibility is not obviously spousal. The point to note is Mr Rauch\u2019s telling claim that marriage, as he understands it, is primarily directed towards relieving adult anxiety about facing catastrophe alone \u2014 an \u201celemental fear of abandonment\u201d (i.e., that no one will be \u201cthere for me\u201d) that may well express deeply felt human needs and longings, but has little or nothing to do with parenthood as such, the main conjugal concern of historically liberal thinkers like Locke.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>First, of course, let\u2019s remember that not even all opposite-sex couples have children. Thus anyone who acknowledges those marriages as \u201creal\u201d absolutely must <em>some<\/em> non-parental justification for marriage.<\/p>\n<p>Yet Rauch sounds right even if we accept that once you have children, your chief responsibility is to ensure their safety, health, and development.<\/p>\n<p>Follow me on this. In its idealized form:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Marriage means that when your health fails, you have a partner who is devoted to your care.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Marriage means that when you are in dire emotional straits, you have a partner who will support and protect you.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Marriage means that when you celebrate an achievement, you have a partner who feels that joy as if it\u2019s their own.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>AND\u2026<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Marriage means that in your life\u2019s chief responsibility, you have a partner who will work with you and give their all.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>This has all been said more famously in the Bible:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.<\/p>\n<p>For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.<\/p>\n<p>Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?<\/p>\n<p>And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Christians see the threefold cord as the presence of Christ in a loving marriage. For non-Christians, it&#8217;s a poetic desrcription of the idea that when two come together in marriage \u2014 not shacking up, not dating, not hanging out \u2014 their union becomes a living thing in itself, a third presence, something they must nurture, with needs that can override those of either person alone.<\/p>\n<p>Either way, there\u2019s nothing <em>revisionist<\/em> about this ancient text and its vision of marriage as two people working, helping, protecting, and keeping one another warm. Christian opposite-sexers often use it in their wedding vows and no one accuses them of trying to destroy marriage or perverting its nature.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Polygamy and Robert George<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>George\u2019s offers his own anti-polygamy argument, and it&#8217;s is much weaker than the \u201crevisionist\u201d one. Actually, for me, it\u2019s so abstract as to be incomprehensible. Here it is (I\u2019ve bolded the relevant bit). It&#8217;s based on George&#8217;s appealing but ill-defined conception of marriage as a &#8220;comprehensive union. I wrote about George&#8217;s &#8220;comprehensive&#8221; union <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/2011\/06\/28\/reply-to-george-vi-marriage-man-woman\/\">earlier<\/a>. It was ill-defined then and he doesn&#8217;t improve it here:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>That is, the comprehensiveness of the union across the dimensions of each spouse\u2019s being calls for a temporal comprehensiveness, too: through time (hence permanence)<strong> and at each time (hence exclusivity)<\/strong>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>George never defined comprehensiveness except when it came to the physical dimension of each spouse&#8217;s being, where he defined it as penis-in-vagina intercourse. What, then, does he mean by \u201cat each time\u201d? It has to be more than \u201ceach time you have sex you have sex with your spouse.\u201d That would only argue against a man having a threeway with his wife and another woman (in terms of George\u2019s <em>organic bodily union<\/em>, there aren\u2019t enough P\u2019s to handle all V\u2019s for a man to have PIV with two women at once). But it doesn\u2019t rule out having two men and one woman, or one spouse stepping out when the other is too sick or tired for PIV.<\/p>\n<p>Could he mean \u201cat every moment\u201d? Such a thing isn\u2019t even possible. You can\u2019t have organic bodily union every moment of your life. Nor can you be in emotional or intellectual union with your partner at every moment.<\/p>\n<p>I have to admit I simply don\u2019t understand what he means.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll go further. I\u2019ll say George\u2019s view <em>justifies<\/em> polygamy. Imagine a man with two wives. They share a home, pool their resources, and make decisions together. The man achieves organic bodily union with each wife a couple times a week \u2014 as often as the women like (perhaps more than they like).<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t see how this stereotype of polygamy fall short of George\u2019s criteria for a \u201creal\u201d marriage. It looks to me like the revisionist\/common view of marriage offers a stronger bulwark against polygamy than George\u2019s conjugal\/procreative view.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Why only <em>sexual <\/em>exclusivity?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s an odd bit. Sex is only one type of union in a comprehensive union; why then, does George only care about exclusivity when it comes to sex? Nothing in his reasoning above is unique to sex. If he\u2019s made a <em>principled<\/em> case for exclusivity, shouldn\u2019t it apply all around? If you can\u2019t have sex with a third party, why are you allowed to have an intellectual discussion? Or a financial contract? How about an emotional tie? Or a spiritual bond, as a woman might have with her priest?<\/p>\n<p>If George offers a principled reason for limiting exclusivity just to sex, I\u2019ve missed it. If he\u2019s explained why you can have multiple intellectual, emotional, or spiritual relationships, I\u2019ve missed that, too. His exclusivity reasoning would seem to force a \u201creal\u201d married couple to isolate themselves from the rest of the world.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">What about just messin\u2019 around?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Forget polygamy. What about plain old infidelity and open relationships? You can create a revisionist\/common argument against that, too. Sex is <em>powerful<\/em>. It can cement an emotional bond. It can <em>create<\/em> an emotional bond. It can even fool you into thinking a bond exists when it\u2019s just novelty and infatuation. In fact, novelty and infatuation are themselves so powerful they can derail a committed long-term relationship.<\/p>\n<p>Actually, any sort of intimacy with a third party \u2014 be it sexual, emotional, intellectual, or spiritual \u2014 can threaten a marriage. Husbands and wives, straight or gay, sometimes leave a spouse for a colleague, for a teammate, for a priest, advisor, or mentor, or just for a prettier model. You can be impervious to physical infatuation yet find yourself vulnerable to the charms of an intoxicating mind.<\/p>\n<p>Still, out of all that, sexual passion can be uniquely overwhelming. And its consequences, intended or not, often last a lifetime. Sexual exclusivity, in this light, just seems prudent.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">What about principles?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Robert George could easily argue that this is a <em>pragmatic<\/em> argument for exclusivity, not a principled one. Sex is different for everyone. Two married people, straight or gay, could read what I just wrote and say, <em>Hmm. Doesn\u2019t describe us.<\/em> And go on to have an honest, non-exclusive marriage. Of course, that\u2019s what many married opposite-sexers have done over the centuries and around the world.<\/p>\n<p>George, naturally, would prefer an air-tight, logical case built from a few simple, self-evident truths. But he\u2019s failed to create such an argument himself, as we saw above. In other words, when it comes to monogamy, George\u2019s conjugal\/procreative view offers no advantage at all.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">How about incest?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>As long as we\u2019re talking marital norms, let me go back a few pages.  George challenges revisionists to explain why we shouldn&#8217;t recognize some incestuous couplings:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Incest, for example, can produce children with health problems and may involve child abuse. But then, assuming for the moment that the state\u2019s interest in avoiding such bad outcomes trumps what revisionists tend to describe as a fundamental right, why not allow incestuous marriages between adult infertile or same-sex couples?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That\u2019s actually a pretty tough question. And it\u2019s not just theoretical. Some states have grappled with it by permitting first-cousin marriage (incestuous by some people\u2019s standards) only if the couple can prove they cannot procreate.<\/p>\n<p>What about closer relations? I have to tell you I\u2019ve got no good answer for this. Mostly I react with the same ick factor response shared by most people (an aversion that may be <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sciencedirect.com\/science?_ob=ArticleURL&amp;_udi=B6WJ9-48PVC1J-2&amp;_user=10&amp;_coverDate=07\/31\/2003&amp;_rdoc=1&amp;_fmt=high&amp;_orig=gateway&amp;_origin=gateway&amp;_sort=d&amp;_docanchor=&amp;view=c&amp;_acct=C000050221&amp;_version=1&amp;_urlVersion=0&amp;_userid=10&amp;md5=178b48ce24d6f0b22ec23c950ea5eead&amp;searchtype=a\" target=\"_blank\">biologically hard-wired<\/a>). But <em>ick<\/em> isn\u2019t a rational policy justification against incest any more than against same-sex marriage. We ought to point one thing, though:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong><em>Robert George doesn\u2019t have an answer to this question, either.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Consider a brother-sister couple in love. Let\u2019s say the woman has had a hysterectomy, so they can\u2019t reproduce. Could their relationship pass George\u2019s criteria for a \u201creal\u201d marriage?<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Comprehensive union? <span style=\"color: #008a00; font-size: 16pt; font-weight: bold;\">\u2713<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Orientation to children (which, to George, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/2011\/07\/06\/reply-to-george-vii-is-marriage-about-the-children-not-for-george\/\">means nothing more than PIV<\/a>)? <span style=\"color: #008a00; font-size: 16pt; font-weight: bold;\">\u2713<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Permanence? <span style=\"color: #008a00; font-size: 16pt; font-weight: bold;\">\u2713<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>Exclusivity? <span style=\"color: #008a00; font-size: 16pt; font-weight: bold;\">\u2713<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>All of these are possible for our brother and sister living as man and wife. By George\u2019s standard, they have a \u201creal\u201d marriage.<\/p>\n<p>You might call this a draw: I don\u2019t have a principled argument against infertile incestuous marriages and neither does George. But a draw means George loses. One of his key arguments against us is that his view can account for norms that we cannot. So, when he fails to make good on that promise, he fails to make his bigger case against marriage equality.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">On incest, polygamy, and the Judeo-Christian tradition<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Robert George, as a Catholic natural law professor, believes Judeo-Christian morality can be justified entirely through reason (though even many devout theologians disagree). He\u2018s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.orthodoxytoday.org\/articles\/ZenitRobertGeorge.php\">written<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I challenge liberal secularist ideologies that have established themselves as orthodoxy on college campuses and in the elite sector of the culture generally.<\/p>\n<p>My complaint is not that these ideologies are out of line with faith \u2014 though plainly they are \u2014 but rather that they fail the test of reason. My argument is that Judeo-Christian morality is rationally superior to the secularist orthodoxy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Surely, then, it\u2019s fair to point out that the Judeo-Christian faith was literally born in polygamy and incest. Abraham, the father of the faith, married his half-sister. And the twelve tribes of Israel are the descendants of the twelve sons that Jacob (grandson of Abraham, and the man whose name God changed to <em>Israel<\/em>) had with his various simultaneous wives \u2014 two of whom, Rachel and Leah, were sisters.<\/p>\n<p>George has chosen not to offer a \u201crational\u201d defense of those traditions. When it comes to the Bible, he picks and chooses quite carefully. In fact, it would seem that this opposition to incest and polygamy is the original &#8220;revisionist&#8221; attitude.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Robert George\u2019s failure<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I think it\u2019s clear by now that Robert George has failed to present a coherent philosophy of marriage. Nearly every paragraph had its flaws. It\u2019s tough to sum them up in just a few lines, but I\u2019ll try.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>George starts off by ignoring most empirical fact about marriage, and does so in the name of \u201cprinciple.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>He creates a spurious distinction between two badly-named views (the \u201cconjugal\u201d and the \u201crevisionist\u201d) and falsely sets them up as competitors.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>His view of marriage as a \u201ccomprehensive union\u201d is too vague and ill-defined to support the reasoning that follows.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>His definition of \u201corganic bodily union\u201d is arbitrary, is based on a false distinction between body and mind, and takes an oddly fractured view of what it means to be human.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>He jumps with little justification from <em>many people see some conceptual connection between marriage and children<\/em> to <em>\u201creal\u201d marriage must have an essential orientation to children<\/em>. Without ever defining \u201cessential\u201d or \u201corientation.\u201d<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>He fails to establish that his conjugal\/procreative view is better at explaining marital norms than the so-called revisionist view.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>He offers no clear argument against polygamous and incestuous marriage and actually makes a case <em>for<\/em> recognizing them.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>He reasons consistently in circles, repeatedly sneaking his conclusion into the arguments he makes to support it.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>But he sure gets an A for effort.<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Next: Everybody wants to talk about why infertile couples can or cannot have a \u201creal marriage\u201d (as George defines it), so I\u2019m going to skip ahead a bit and take you on that wild ride.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[This post is part of a series analyzing Robert George&#8217;s widely-read article, &#8220;What is Marriage&#8220;, which appeared on pages 245-286 of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. 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