{"id":13935,"date":"2011-08-12T10:03:15","date_gmt":"2011-08-12T17:03:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=13935"},"modified":"2011-08-12T10:03:38","modified_gmt":"2011-08-12T17:03:38","slug":"reply-to-george-xiv-justify-your-love","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=13935","title":{"rendered":"Reply to George:  XIV.  Justify Your Love"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>[This post is part of a series analyzing Robert George&#8217;s widely-read article, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/papers.ssrn.com\/sol3\/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1722155\" target=\"_blank\">What is Marriage<\/a>&#8220;, which appeared on pages 245-286 of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. You can view all posts in the series\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/wakingupnow.com\/blog\/category\/robert-george\/what-is-marriage\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>.]<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Robert George has some challenges for us \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/wakingupnow.com\/blog\/reply-to-george-iii-stop-sneaking-in-your-conclusion\" target=\"_blank\">revisionists<\/a>.\u201d He says we can\u2019t meet them, but you know what?\u00a0 He\u2019s wrong.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">What exactly is he saying?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>George starts with typical clarity and grace.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Although the conjugal view is, despite its critics, not only inferable from certain widely accepted features of marriage and good for society, but also internally coherent, no version of the revisionists\u2019 view accounts for some of their own beliefs about marriage: namely, that the state has an interest in regulating some relationships, but only if they are romantic\u2014presumptively sexual\u2014and only if they are monogamous.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This sentence is 66 words long. The verb (\u201caccounts\u201d) doesn\u2019t appear until word 33. To get to the subject of the sentence (\u201cno version\u201d) you have to wade through four\u00a0\u2014 <em>four!<\/em> \u2014 introductory phrases set off by commas. Is this trivial?<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>No.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Bad writing is a great mask for poor reasoning:\u00a0 <em>If it\u2019s this hard to read, it must be deep! <\/em>Or:\u00a0 <em>I don\u2019t know what he\u2019s saying but he sure sounds smart!<\/em> <em> <\/em>Don\u2019t fall for it.\u00a0 In reality, convoluted prose often means there\u2019s less here than meets the eye.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, back to his argument.<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, I disagree that George\u2019s conjugal\/procreative view is \u201cnot only inferable&#8230;but internally consistent.\u201d As we\u2019ve seen, it manages to be circular and self-contradictory <em>at the same time<\/em> \u2014 no mean feat.<\/p>\n<p>The rest of the statement has problems, too. After all, no one is arguing that that state has an interest in \u201cregulating\u201d <em>only<\/em> romantic, monogamous relationships. The state sets down law for all sorts of relationships:\u00a0 parent and child, guardian and ward, business partners, buyer and seller, donor and recipient<\/p>\n<p>This is so obvious, in fact, that I point it out mainly as another instance of George\u2019s inadequate presentation of his case, something that\u2019s allowed him to gloss over many of its flaws.<\/p>\n<p>George is really challenging us \u201crevisionists\u201d to demonstrate that (1) the state has an interest in applying marital law to relationships as long as they are (2) romantic and (3) monogamous.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">The purpose of government<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In point (1), as far as I can tell, George is bringing up a common theme among procreationists:\u00a0 <em>The state has an interest in continuing the generation of healthy, educated, and well-adjusted citizens. Therefore, the state has an interest in regulating the relationships of those adults who bear and rear each successive generation. But why does the state have any interest in regulating marriage if marriage is unconnected to children?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>There is so much wrong here.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019d like to start with the ugliness of the question itself \u2014 ugly, because it relies on the (understandably) unstated assumption that the state should only do those things which benefit the state.<\/p>\n<p>That may be the guiding principle in a totalitarian country. In a free land, though, we have to remember this: <em>The individual does not exist to serve the State.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>For instance, freedom of speech is vital to good governance and is thus in the interests of the state \u2014 but that\u2019s not the only reason we allow individuals the right to speak freely. The same is true of freedom of religion. And assembly. And a multitude of other rights guaranteed to citizens.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s un-American to imply the government should secure a citizen\u2019s rights only if they are in the interests of the state. And it\u2019s <em>profoundly<\/em> un-American to deny the citizens are endowed with:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Worth repeating: <em>to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men<\/em>. It is not the duty of the citizen to justify his or her rights to the state.<\/p>\n<p>This is actually a major parting of the ways between our opponents and us. Conservatives, almost by definition, insist the burden of proof is on those who advocate change. But in a free country, shouldn&#8217;t the burden be on those who would limit that freedom?<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">The &#8220;revisionist&#8221; case for civil marriage<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>So let\u2019s reframe George\u2019s first issue. Stop focusing on the interests of the state. Let\u2019s just ask why our \u201crevisionist\u201d view <em>does<\/em> imply the government should enact marital law. Keep in mind that George isn\u2019t asking here why same-sex marriage should be legal. No, he asking why marriage <em>itself<\/em> should be a legal concept under the revisionist view.<\/p>\n<p>First, let\u2019s remind ourselves of George\u2019s definition of this view:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Marriage is the union of two people (whether of the same sex or of opposite sexes) who commit to romantically loving and caring for each other and to sharing the burdens and benefits of domestic life.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Well, this is easy.<\/p>\n<p>Adults who want to want to \u201ccommit to romantically loving and caring for each other and to sharing the burdens and benefits of domestic life\u201d will often want to raise children.\u00a0 It\u2019s perhaps the most daunting and profound task the ordinary person will face, and as a great book says, \u201cTwo are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s clearly in the interest of children to have a stable environment and to have regulations around the parents\u2019 commitment to each other and to the child. This is true whether you\u2019re a revisionist or a procreationist, whether you\u2019re same-sex parents or opposite-sex.<\/p>\n<p>But take children out of the picture. Imagine two adults, Riley and Jordan. Riley is a highly-paid Vice President of Manufacturing, while Jordan builds a reputation as an artist (but doesn\u2019t make much money). What happens if Riley dies?<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Does Jordan get to keep their home, or must it be sold and their savings liquidated to pay estate taxes?<\/li>\n<li>Will Jordan receive the social security payments that Riley paid into the system?<\/li>\n<li>Where does Riley\u2019s pension and 401(k) go?<\/li>\n<li>If Riley is hospitalized before dying, who will get to visit, and who makes the difficult end-of-life decisions?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>These are all legal questions and they require a legal solution. Many of our opponents repeat the pernicious myth that Riley and Jordan could handle this through wills and powers of attorney. Tell that to Ron Hanby and Mark Goldberg.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">The nightmare of legal limbo<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ron Hanby, struggling with depression, took his own life on October 2, 2008. Mark Goldberg, his partner of 17 years, battled Rhode Island bureaucracy for weeks before the state would release Ron\u2019s body to him. Ron had no living relatives. The couple, however, did have:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>wills<\/li>\n<li>living wills<\/li>\n<li>power of attorney documents<\/li>\n<li>and a Connecticut marriage certificate (Rhode Island didn&#8217;t permit same-sex marriage or even civil unions)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>None of that mattered in Rhode Island. Mark spent every day of his immediate grief on the phone with state officials, trying to get his husband\u2019s body out of the morgue. Finally, after four weeks, a state bureaucrat took a special interest and helped him get Ron\u2019s body released.<\/p>\n<p>Read <a href=\"http:\/\/marriageequalityri.wordpress.com\/2009\/02\/13\/goldberg-letter-to-sen-whitehouse-partner-burial-rights\/\" target=\"_blank\">Mark\u2019s own description<\/a> of what his life turned into:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I called the Police to our home where the death occurred and in two hours they performed their investigation, offered their condolences, removed Ron\u2019s body and left our house. No one offered any information on what I was to do next. No phone number to contact the detective in charge, no information on where they were taking Ron\u2019s body, no information on what I as his partner for so many years should do next.<\/p>\n<p>Ron had no next of kin other than me. \u00a0I shared our Wills, Living Wills, Power of Attorney and Marriage Certificate to the Police Department, Medical Examiner\u2019s Office and the Department of Health, but no one was willing to see these documents. The State Law stated that a two week search for next of kin must be done. The Medical Examiner\u2019s office waited a full week before placing an ad in the Providence Journal. After no one responded they waited another week to send paperwork to the Health and Human Services Department listing Ron as an unclaimed body. During this four week process, I was on the phone every day trying to convince someone, anyone, that I was the person claiming Ron\u2019s body. The same response came back to me every time; \u201cIt\u2019s State law, our hands are tied, there\u2019s nothing we can do\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>I attempted to place an obituary in the Providence Journal and again, I was denied because we were not blood relatives, and the Journal had to comply with state rules. GLAD, the Gay and Lesbian Advocacy and Defenders could not help me because our bond was not recognized in the State of RI. After four weeks an employee in the Department of General Public Assistance of Human Services took pity upon me and my plight. She reviewed our documentation and was able to get all parties concerned to release Ron\u2019s body to me.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>When this came to light, the Rhode Island legislature tried to pass the most simple of legal recognitions for same-sex couples: \u00a0a bill creating funeral rights for domestic partners. They passed it in a bipartisan show of humanity: 63-1 in the House, unanimously in the Senate. And the Republican governor vetoed it.<\/p>\n<p>The National Organization for Marriage urged legislators to let the veto stand. (Robert George is the Founding Chairman of NOM.) Chris Plante, executive director of NOM-RI, wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>[T]he proposed legislation simply is not necessary\u2026 The right of any person, without regard to sexual preference or relationship to the decedent, to serve as a designated funeral-planning agent is already expressly guaranteed by Rhode Island Law 5-33.1-4. That statute only requires a simple notarized form naming an agent.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ah, yes, Rhode Island Law 5-33.1-4. Of <em>course<\/em>. And what can we say in return except:<\/p>\n<p><strong><em><span style=\"color: #993300;\">Thank you Mr. Plante!<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Mark and Ron had wills, power of attorney, and an actual marriage license? Simpletons! They should have known to go to a notary and designate each other as\u00a0<em>funeral planning agents<\/em>, pursuant to R.I. Law 5-33.1-4!<\/p>\n<p>This is the Kafka-esque nightmare faced by couples who \u201ccommit to romantically loving and caring for each other and to sharing the burdens and benefits of domestic life\u201d in states that offer their relationships no legal recognition. Lord only knows how many other forms and requirement Hanby and Goldberg would have needed to get their legal rights. And that\u2019s just in one state. Imagine the hell they would go through if they decided to travel cross-country, investigating procedures and filling out forms in every state they visited.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, some problems can\u2019t be solved even if you have every bit of paperwork intact. <a href=\"http:\/\/wakingupnow.com\/blog\/noms-assault-on-the-family\" target=\"_blank\">Shirley Tan<\/a> learned this the hard way when immigration officials shackled her in front of her kids and spouse, and hauled her off for possible deportation.<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">\u201cRegulating\u201d?<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>These examples point out another big flaw in the way George framed the issue:\u00a0 <em>But why does the state have any interest in regulating marriage if marriage is unconnected to children?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Hmm. That word: \u00a0\u201cregulating.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cRegulating,\u201d for me at least, has connotations of <em>control<\/em>. Regulation says you <em>must<\/em> do this or <em>must not<\/em> do that. But many of the \u201cregulations\u201d around marriage have to do with <em>rights<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>These rights exist so people can build a life together that neither could build alone. They exist so that if one partner dies, the other is not devastated by losing their home or struggling for weeks to retrieve the body from the morgue. They exist so you can keep your partner in the country instead of having her deported to the place where a man killed her sister and mother and tried to kill her.<\/p>\n<p>George <em>almost<\/em> understands that.\u00a0 He believes the government should recognize and regulate marriage for couples who can procreate (and, through tortured reasoning, for couples who can\u2019t procreate but still have a penis and vagina).<\/p>\n<p>However, he claims it\u2019s \u201cmuch harder to defend\u201d the need for legal, civil marriage when the partners are merely people who \u201ccommit to romantically loving and caring for each other and to sharing the burdens and benefits of domestic life.\u201d That\u2019s mind-boggling, a statement that could only be written by someone who (1) does not understand what it means to commit to another person or (2) has some personal need to endorse his own view at the expense of rational argument.<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s assume, for George\u2019s sake, that the answer is (2).<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Next: We&#8217;ll look at parts 2 and 3 of this &#8220;challenge&#8221; from George.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[This post is part of a series analyzing Robert George&#8217;s widely-read article, &#8220;What is Marriage&#8220;, which appeared on pages 245-286 of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. 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