{"id":1413,"date":"2005-03-17T01:35:06","date_gmt":"2005-03-17T09:35:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/03\/17\/when-it-comes-to-reproduction-men-and-women-really-are-different\/"},"modified":"2005-03-17T01:35:06","modified_gmt":"2005-03-17T09:35:06","slug":"when-it-comes-to-reproduction-men-and-women-really-are-different","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1413","title":{"rendered":"When it comes to reproduction, men and women really ARE different"},"content":{"rendered":"

Hugo <\/a>is going to be appearing on Glenn Sacks’ show<\/a> again, this time to debate “choice for men.” I was rereading my old posts on the subject (if you’re curious, they are here<\/a>, here<\/a>, here <\/a>and here<\/a>), and I came across this post I wrote in the comments, which I thought was worth “promoting” to its own post.<\/p>\n

Question: Is it really accurate to say that both parties have the opportunity to unilaterally prevent reproduction?<\/p>\n

Making this statement, I am making some assumptions. First, that “you can chose not to have sex” doesn’t count as control, simply because we don’t accept that argument when referring to anti-choice positions (ie “if she doesn’t want to have a baby, she shouldn’t have had sex”).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

The thing is, this argument assumes that the exact same standard should apply to both men and women; put another way, it assumes we should treat women and men the same. 99% of the time, I’d agree with that. But here’s the thing: when it comes to bearing children, men and women are NOT at all the same.<\/i> Treating them as if they are doesn’t make sense.<\/p>\n

To see what I mean, consider this question: Is it discrimination that men’s room provide urinals (letting men get in and out faster, leading to shorter lines) while women’s rooms don’t? Shouldn’t we treat men and women the same and provide them both with urinals?<\/p>\n

Men and women are physically different. That means that we pee differently, which would make it foolish to treat men and women the same when it comes to bathroom fixtures. And it means that we have different roles in childbirth, which makes it foolish to act as if men and women are similarly situated when it comes to childbirth.<\/p>\n

Both men and women should have every reproductive choice biologically possible.<\/strong> For men and women both, that means they should have the choice not to fuck, if they don’t want to. For men and women both, that means they should have access to every kind of birth control. And for women, that should mean access to abortion.<\/p>\n

Cutting either men or women off from their biologically possible options is wrong, in my view. But “abortion” just isn’t one of men’s biologically possible options.<\/p>\n

To say “well, if an argument’s valid for women, then it should be valid for men as well” is true most of the time – but it’s not true in a discussion of abortion, because men can’t have abortions. Men and women are not, when it comes to this issue, identically situated; and it’s illogical to act as if they are.<\/p>\n

UPDATE: Be sure to check out this related post by Lorenzo at Unimpressed.net<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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