{"id":14377,"date":"2011-10-27T13:41:13","date_gmt":"2011-10-27T20:41:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=14377"},"modified":"2011-10-27T13:48:09","modified_gmt":"2011-10-27T20:48:09","slug":"presidential-election-irresponsible-speculation-er-discussion-thread","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=14377","title":{"rendered":"Presidential Election Irresponsible Speculation, er, Discussion, Thread"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/romney_and_cain.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"romney_and_cain\" width=\"575\" height=\"447\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-14379\" srcset=\"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/romney_and_cain.jpg 575w, https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/romney_and_cain-550x427.jpg 550w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 575px) 100vw, 575px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The other side&#8217;s primaries are so much fun. From my perspective, it&#8217;s all entertainment, no skin in the game.<\/p>\n<p>I had a long argument with a couple of my housemates about the GOP primary and the upcoming presidential election. My prediction: Mitt Romney will win the primary, and then beat Obama in the general election.<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what I was thinking:<\/p>\n<p>1) GOP primary voters don&#8217;t really love any of their options with a passion, and some Republicans (like some liberals) have <a href=\"http:\/\/www.commentarymagazine.com\/2011\/06\/21\/polling-prejudice-against-mormons-democrats-gop\/\">issues <\/a>with <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=tggtPHDmrR8\">Mormons<\/a>. But they really, <em>really <\/em>hate Barack Obama &#8212; &#8220;From hell&#8217;s heart, I stab at thee. For hate&#8217;s sake, I spit my last breath at thee.&#8221; ((Melville, quoting Khan Noonien Singh.)) That sort of hate.<\/p>\n<p>So my prediction is that in the end, they&#8217;ll <a href=\"http:\/\/thehill.com\/video\/campaign\/187951-santorum-criticizes-snl-sketch-as-bullying\">settle on Romney<\/a>. ((My favorite thing is this SNL sketch is definitely the Ron Paul gag at the end.)) He&#8217;s not the one they want, but he is the one that can (maybe) give them the victory they want.<\/p>\n<p>Although Cain is increasingly looking like a <a href=\"http:\/\/fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com\/2011\/10\/27\/herman-cain-outlier\/\">long-shot possibility<\/a>, and I have to admit, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=e9deLGjrf-A&#038;feature=player_embedded\">this commercial<\/a> is strangely compelling. Cain is likable. Unfortunately, I just don&#8217;t see anything else about him that would remotely make him a good president. But if he shocks everyone and becomes the nominee, well, from my perspective as a consumer of politics as entertainment, I&#8217;d be happy.<\/p>\n<p>Perry, meanwhile, seemed to be self-destructing even last week, and now he&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/www.csmonitor.com\/USA\/Elections\/Vox-News\/2011\/1026\/Rick-Perry-calls-debates-a-mistake-but-how-can-he-avoid-them\">running scared<\/a> from the prospect of Republican debates. I think even Republicans who like Perry are secretly doubting he&#8217;d fare well against Obama in a debate.<\/p>\n<p>2) Then comes the general election (which won&#8217;t be so much fun for me). Some general points:<\/p>\n<p>2a) Of Americans who don&#8217;t bother to vote, the vast majority already know who they&#8217;re going to vote for in November: They&#8217;re definitely voting for Obama, or they&#8217;re definitely voting for whoever the Republican is. Nearly all the votes are already settled.<\/p>\n<p>2b) Americans who vote but are genuinely undecided are high-information, well-informed intellectuals carefully weighing the man this sentence is absolute bullshit, isn&#8217;t it? Undecided voters, by and large, don&#8217;t know anything and don&#8217;t want to know anything. They&#8217;ll mostly wake up and vote based on how good they&#8217;re feeling that morning. Which is why <a href=\"http:\/\/americancenturyblog.com\/2011\/06\/macroeconomics-and-presidential-elections\/\">economic conditions<\/a> (regardless of cause) are so important to winning elections, and why I predict that Obama will lose, lose, lose.<\/p>\n<p>2c) It won&#8217;t help Obama that his voters are simply <a href=\"http:\/\/elections.firedoglake.com\/2011\/09\/29\/democrats-suffering-from-large-enthusiasm-gap\/\">less enthused<\/a>. And if the Republican is Romney&#8230; well, sure, Democrats dislike Romney, but we don&#8217;t HATE him yet. Not like the way Kahn hated Kirk. (If the Republicans do nominate Rick Perry, that would do wonders for Democratic enthusiasm.)<\/p>\n<p>2d) Romney is bland but competent. If he&#8217;s the candidate, he&#8217;ll be well-advised, hard-working and cautious. ((Not unlike Obama, come to think of it.)) Given Obama&#8217;s weaknesses &#8212; an incumbent president running in a staggering economy is like a marathon runner carrying a sofa &#8212; that&#8217;ll be enough. On the other hand, if one of the other folks is the nominee, who knows?<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m predicting that our next president &#8212; alas &#8212; is Mitt Romney. Thoughts? Speculations? Rambles? Conspiracy theories? Recipes for cupcakes shaped like Herman Cain&#8217;s head? Post &#8217;em here.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The other side&#8217;s primaries are so much fun. From my perspective, it&#8217;s all entertainment, no skin in the game. 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