{"id":1521,"date":"2005-04-29T13:52:55","date_gmt":"2005-04-29T20:52:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/04\/29\/two-responses-to-amps-posts\/"},"modified":"2005-04-29T13:52:55","modified_gmt":"2005-04-29T20:52:55","slug":"two-responses-to-amps-posts","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1521","title":{"rendered":"Two Responses to Amp&#039;s posts"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Lindsay Beyerstein at Majikthise and I have been <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/04\/27\/majikthise-on-that-maybe-fat-isnt-so-awful-jama-study\/\">debating <\/a>about the new JAMA study of fat and mortality. <a href=\"http:\/\/majikthise.typepad.com\/majikthise_\/2005\/04\/more_on_flegal_.html\">Here is Lindsay&#8217;s response<\/a> to my critique of her earlier post. I hope to find time to respond to Lindsay sometime in the next week.<\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.glennsacks.com\">Glenn Sacks<\/a> sent me an email about <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/04\/29\/mens-right-activists-cant-do-math\/\">my response<\/a> to his <em>San Francisco Chronicle<\/em> article claiming that men and women are equal victims of intimate homicide. First of all, he pointed me to this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ifeminists.net\/introduction\/editorials\/2002\/0430a.html\">longer version of his argument<\/a>,  in which he describes his reasoning in more detail than the <em>Chronicle&#8217;s<\/em> space limitations permitted.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, Glenn took issue with my opinion that he and other men&#8217;s rights activists are &#8220;motivated to make arguments like this by their denial that sexism ever harms women more than men. In their view, men are always greater victims and women have nothing to complain about&#8230;&#8221; Here&#8217;s how Glenn describes his own view:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t believe that men are oppressed and women are privileged or the other way around. I think both genders have advantages and disadvantages. But, what I have come to believe is that the disadvantages women face are in the public domain. Everyone knows about them. But few understand men&#8217;s. That is what I want to shine light upon.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Fair enough. However, I still think my original statement was a good description of how many MRAs think, even accepting that Glenn is an exception. Over on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.standyourground.com\/forum\/viewtopic.php?p=52013&#038;highlight=#52013\">this thread<\/a> on the MRA discussion board &#8220;Stand Your Ground,&#8221; when I asked a poster for an example of sexism or discrimination that harmed women, he responded &#8220;Bathrooms. There aren&#8217;t enough women&#8217;s bathrooms to meet the demand. That&#8217;s about all I can see&#8230;&#8221; And then another MRA poster responded that he didn&#8217;t even agree that bathrooms were a legitimate problem.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s anecdotal, of course, but I&#8217;ve debated with hundreds of MRAs over the years (mostly online), and the &#8220;women have no serious problems, not compared to what men suffer&#8221;  attitude appears to be pervasive.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lindsay Beyerstein at Majikthise and I have been debating about the new JAMA study of fat and mortality. Here is Lindsay&#8217;s response to my critique of her earlier post. I hope to find time to respond to Lindsay sometime in &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1521\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[95,30],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1521","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-anti-feminists-and-their-pals","category-fat-fat-and-more-fat"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1521","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1521"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1521\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1521"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1521"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1521"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}