{"id":1686,"date":"2005-07-10T00:34:38","date_gmt":"2005-07-10T07:34:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/07\/10\/anti-feminists-attack-pharyngula-yes-again\/"},"modified":"2005-07-10T00:34:38","modified_gmt":"2005-07-10T07:34:38","slug":"anti-feminists-attack-pharyngula-yes-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1686","title":{"rendered":"Anti-Feminists Attack Pharyngula (yes, again)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Chronology:<\/p>\n<p>1) An <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tnr.com\/doc.mhtml?i=w050704&#038;s=adler070705\">article on <em>The New Republic<\/em>&#8216;s website<\/a> embarrasses some conservatives by printing the unsurprising truth that many conservative pundits don&#8217;t believe in evolution, or are followers of intelligent design, or hedge on the matter.<\/p>\n<p>2) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.volokh.com\/posts\/1120775700.shtml\">Todd Zywicki<\/a>, of the Volokh Conspiracy, suggests that lefties would be just as embarrassed by questions such as &#8220;Are differences between men&#8217;s and women&#8217;s aptitudes solely a result of society and culture, or is there an evolutionary basis for some of those distinctions?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>3) <a href=\"http:\/\/pharyngula.org\/index\/weblog\/longcomments\/the_conservative_counterattack_ho_hum\">PZ at Pharyngula responds to Zywicki<\/a>.   Here&#8217;s a taste:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>He&#8217;s making the old, tired nature\/nurture distinction, and it drives me nuts. It&#8217;s a false dichotomy that is perpetuated by an antiquated misconception about how development and biology works. Genes don&#8217;t work alone, they <em>always <\/em>interact with their environment, and the outcome of developmental processes is always contingent upon both genetic and non-genetic factors. There is nothing for which this is more true than the development of the mind: the brain is a structure which is incredibly plastic and responsive to input, since that is its job, to respond in sophisticated ways to complex situations.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>4) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2005\/05\/21\/1567\/\">Not for the first time<\/a>, anti-feminists invade Pharyngula, get their asses kicked, and &#8211; in a distinctive, almost dadaesque touch &#8211; declare victory.<\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<p>Regarding Todd&#8217;s point, like a lot of other folks who have commented, I think he&#8217;s comparing incomparables. The extent to which biology makes differences in behavior between the sexes inevitable and predictable is hotly debated within the scientific community. No one I know of argues that evolution has <em>no <\/em>effect on behavior, or has <em>no <\/em>effect on sex differences; however, some folks (myself included) argue that because biology <em>always <\/em>interacts with culture and nuture, there is no &#8220;female behavior&#8221; or &#8220;male behavior&#8221; that is biologically immutable among humans, apart from obvious reproductive behaviors like &#8220;giving birth.&#8221; While right-wing partisans may consider this view ridiculous, it&#8217;s not out of the bounds of reasonable scientific discourse.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, not believing in evolution &#8211; or thinking that &#8220;intelligent design&#8221; ought be taught as science &#8211; is a genuinely ridiculous position, far outside the bounds of reasonable scientific discourse.<\/p>\n<p>* * *<\/p>\n<p>Along the way, I was reminded of this excellent Brian Leiter post on <a href=\"http:\/\/leiterreports.typepad.com\/blog\/2005\/02\/academic_freedo.html\">why Larry Summers&#8217; academic freedom was never under attack<\/a>. And another excellent <a href=\"http:\/\/leiterreports.typepad.com\/blog\/2005\/06\/on_rhetoric_civ.html\">Leiter post against civility<\/a>, which I&#8217;m linking because I might want to discuss it later.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Chronology: 1) An article on The New Republic&#8216;s website embarrasses some conservatives by printing the unsurprising truth that many conservative pundits don&#8217;t believe in evolution, or are followers of intelligent design, or hedge on the matter. 2) Todd Zywicki, of &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1686\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[95,92],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1686","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-anti-feminists-and-their-pals","category-whatever"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1686","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1686"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1686\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1686"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1686"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1686"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}