{"id":1980,"date":"2005-11-29T04:27:23","date_gmt":"2005-11-29T11:27:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1980"},"modified":"2011-08-01T23:55:21","modified_gmt":"2011-08-02T06:55:21","slug":"feminism-and-anti-feminism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=1980","title":{"rendered":"Feminism and Anti-Feminism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>What if I called myself a conservative &#8211; but virtually all of my writings on the subject were devoted to passionately denouncing conservatives, and I didn&#8217;t actually favor any conservative policies to address any of today&#8217;s problems? What if I had virtually never published a positive word about conservatism (apart from &#8220;however&#8230;&#8221; type passages in essays denouncing conservatism?) What if my  self-styled conservatism had the practical effect of giving myself a better platform from which to denounce conservatism?<\/p>\n<p>My guess is that, if all that were the case, most conservatives would find my claim to conservatism suspect. Modern conservatism encompasses many different views, but it doesn&#8217;t encompass the view that modern conservatism is a terrible idea that ought be done away with.<\/p>\n<p>On a feminist mailing list, I recently called Cathy Young an &#8220;anti-feminist journalist.&#8221; Cathy <a href=\"http:\/\/cathyyoung.blogspot.com\/2005\/11\/anti-feminist-moi.html\">has taken issue with this<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I think that labeling me (or, say, Wendy McElroy) &#8220;anti-feminist&#8221; (1) is inaccurate and (2) establishes a rigid ideological definition of what &#8220;feminism&#8221; is. I also think that, whether or not Barry intends it that way, &#8220;anti-feminist&#8221; is a pejorative. Indeed, I would say that Barry himself uses it as a pejorative: the section on his blog dedicated to critics of feminism is called &#8220;Anti-Feminist Zaniness,&#8221; and in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2004\/09\/08\/more-links-than-you-can-shake-a-stick-at\/\">this 2004 thread<\/a>, he says, in a partial defense of yours truly, &#8220;I&#8217;m not saying that &#8230; she doesn&#8217;t say stupid, anti-feminist things&#8230;&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Okay, let&#8217;s take this a bit at a time.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Is &#8220;Anti-Feminist&#8221; Always A Pejorative?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Do I use &#8220;anti-feminist&#8221; as a pejorative &#8211; that is, as the OED puts it, as &#8220;a word or expression which by its form or context expresses or implies contempt for the thing named&#8221;? I don&#8217;t think I do. I use it just as I use words like &#8220;libertarian&#8221; &#8220;republican&#8221; and &#8220;conservative&#8221; &#8211; terms which describe political philosophies.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s true that in the loose talk of a comments section that was (at that moment) pretty much all-feminist, I wrote that Cathy said &#8220;stupid anti-feminist things.&#8221; In hindsight, I should&#8217;ve put that more diplomatically (i.e, &#8220;endorses terrible anti-feminist ideas&#8221;), but I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve also referred casually to &#8220;stupid republican things&#8221; at some point in my life &#8211; and I bet many conservatives have done the same with words like &#8220;feminist&#8221; and &#8220;liberal,&#8221; when they&#8217;ve been talking casually among the like-minded. That doesn&#8217;t make any of these words pejoratives which can&#8217;t be used in a good-faith debate.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What Does &#8220;Feminist&#8221; Mean?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Before we can define &#8220;anti-feminist,&#8221; we have to discuss what &#8220;feminist&#8221; means. And here, we immediately run into trouble: feminism has dozens of meanings, depending on who you speak to. And, clearly, I have no authority (or desire) to define feminism for anyone apart from myself; people who want to think of themselves as &#8220;feminists&#8221; are free to do so regardless of if I agree.<\/p>\n<p>So I&#8217;ll just talk about what &#8220;feminist&#8221; means to me. Here&#8217;s how I&#8217;ve put it <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2003\/09\/05\/can-conservatives-be-feminists-redux-for-the-100th-time\/\">in the past<\/a>:<\/p>\n<div class=\"snip\">A feminist:<\/p>\n<p>1) Believes that there is current, significant, society-wide inequality and sexism which on balance disadvantages women.<\/p>\n<p>2) Advocates for the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Cathy would presumably find that a &#8220;rigid ideological definition of what &#8216;feminism&#8217; is.&#8221;  One of Cathy&#8217;s anonymous readers is harsher, writing that &#8220;Anyone with whom [Ampersand] disagrees on gender issues is &#8216;anti-feminist&#8217; and is therefore a complete reactionary bigot.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t think either of these claims hold up to scrutiny. Far from being &#8220;rigid,&#8221; my definition of &#8220;feminist&#8221; is a vast sprawling tent, easily encompassing countless contrary feminist opinions (radical feminist, eco-feminist, liberal feminist, socialist feminist, womanist, cultural feminist, trans feminist, third wave feminist, etc etc). And although I disagree with aspects of most of those views, I&#8217;ve never called them &#8220;anti-feminist&#8221; views &#8211; because they&#8217;re not.<\/p>\n<p><strong>What is Anti-Feminism?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Oxford English Dictionary defines an anti-feminist as &#8220;One opposed to women or to feminism.&#8221; Cathy doesn&#8217;t oppose women, but you&#8217;d have to impossibly distort her work to argue that she doesn&#8217;t oppose feminism; virtually all her writings on feminism are attacks on feminists and feminism. The OED offers a second definition: &#8220;a person (usu. a man) who is hostile to sexual equality or to the advocacy of women&#8217;s rights.&#8221; Cathy isn&#8217;t hostile to equality (and she&#8217;s not a man!), but her writing clearly is &#8220;hostile to&#8230; the advocacy of women&#8217;s rights.&#8221; She thinks women already have virtually all the rights they need, and therefore further advocacy is unnecessary.<\/p>\n<p>In the <a href=\"http:\/\/search.barnesandnoble.com\/booksearch\/isbninquiry.asp?userid=MH3CfEACIy&#038;ean=9780684834429&#038;displayonly=PRF#PRF\">introduction to her book <em>Ceasefire!<\/em><\/a>, Cathy concedes that in one area &#8211; the family\/work balance &#8211; women might still have a legitimate complaint. But virtually all other concerns that justify a &#8220;case for continued feminist activism,&#8221; she dismisses as illegitimate. There&#8217;s a big difference between criticizing some feminist views, and denying that there&#8217;s a legitimate need for a women&#8217;s movement at all. How can anyone who doesn&#8217;t see a need for a movement for women&#8217;s equality, be a feminist?<\/p>\n<p>As I wrote <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2003\/09\/05\/can-conservatives-be-feminists-redux-for-the-100th-time\/\">two years ago<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>My main problem with &#8220;ifeminism&#8221; and other conservative brands of feminism is that they seem to be premised on the idea that (at least in this country) feminism has already won. The essential message I see in McElroy&#8217;s iFeminist columns and books like <em>Who Stole Feminism?<\/em> is that women are already equal; there is no need to agitate for change in order to bring women&#8217;s equality about.<\/p>\n<p>So, for example, conservative &#8220;feminists&#8221; argue that we shouldn&#8217;t worry about the wage gap, because it&#8217;s merely a matter of worker&#8217;s individual choices, and has nothing to do with discrimination. They argue that the rape crisis is fiction, a result of feminist exaggerations and morning-after regrets. They argue that domestic violence has nothing to do with sexism because (as Christina Hoff Sommers argued) men are equal victims of spouse abuse.<\/p>\n<p>Note the common theme &#8211; in each case, the conclusion of the argument is that sexism against women is no longer a problem, and political, activist solutions &#8211; that is, feminism &#8211; is no longer necessary.<\/p>\n<p>Well, that&#8217;s nice &#8211; but it&#8217;s not feminism. Feminism is and has always been about activism; feminists are trying to change society. In particular, feminism is about changing society so that women, who are unfairly kept down in our society, can at last experience full equality.<\/p>\n<p>If you don&#8217;t believe that sexism is an important problem keeping women down today, then you may be a nice person, and you may believe in equality &#8211; but you&#8217;re just not a feminist.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Why This Matters: Does Feminism Have Any Meaning At All?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The danger I see in Cathy&#8217;s views is that, if they were generally accepted, the result would be that the word &#8220;feminist&#8221; would be drained of meaning. If Cathy is a feminist, then feminism is no longer &#8220;an organized movement for the attainment of&#8230; rights for women&#8221; (to quote the definition of &#8220;feminism&#8221; Cathy cites). Feminism no longer means fighting sexism against women. Judging by Cathy&#8217;s writings, her brand of feminism involves attacking feminism at every turn while generally supporting men&#8217;s rights activists.<\/p>\n<p>In Cathy&#8217;s view, being a feminist doesn&#8217;t require endorsing any feminist policy positions, or ever taking a pro-feminist stand in public, or being part of a movement for attaining women&#8217;s equality, or thinking such a movement can do any good at all. In the end, Cathy seems to think &#8220;feminist&#8221; is a term that can reasonably be applied to anyone who doesn&#8217;t explicitly oppose equality. But nowadays, virtually everyone <em>says <\/em>they favor equality, so that means nothing.<\/p>\n<p>I agree with Cathy that a &#8220;rigid ideological definition&#8221; of feminism would be a mistake. But the opposite mistake &#8211; being so all-inclusive that &#8220;feminism&#8221; ceases to mean much of anything &#8211; is just as bad.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Uppdatering<\/strong>: There seems to be a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.louisep.com\/node\/878\">related discussion going on here<\/a>. Unfortunately, I can&#8217;t understand a word of <strike>it<\/strike> Swedish. If any &#8220;Alas&#8221; readers can read <strike>that language<\/strike> Swedish, please let the rest of us know the gist of their discussion. :-)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Uppdatering Uppdatering:<\/strong> There&#8217;s a translation, by the author, posted in the comments now. Yay!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What if I called myself a conservative &#8211; but virtually all of my writings on the subject were devoted to passionately denouncing conservatives, and I didn&#8217;t actually favor any conservative policies to address any of today&#8217;s problems? 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