{"id":636,"date":"2004-02-23T15:13:29","date_gmt":"2004-02-23T23:13:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/archives\/2004\/02\/23\/unborn-children-and-the-clash-of-analogies\/"},"modified":"2004-02-23T15:13:29","modified_gmt":"2004-02-23T23:13:29","slug":"unborn-children-and-the-clash-of-analogies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=636","title":{"rendered":"&quot;Unborn children&quot; and the Clash of Analogies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Julian, responding to a post of mine, wrote:<\/p>\n<div class=\"snip\">A little surprised to see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amptoons.com\/blog\/001271.html\">Ampersand making use <\/a>of the question-begging pro-life locution &#8220;unborn children.&#8221; If you don&#8217;t share their view about the moral status of the fetus, that&#8217;s like calling a pile of bricks an &#8220;unbuilt house&#8221; or, for that matter, a blank screen an &#8220;unwritten blog post.&#8221; Let&#8217;s not give them this one.<\/div>\n<p>In context, I used the phrase &#8220;(unborn) children&#8221; while summing up my understanding of Eve&#8217;s point of view; because Eve is pro-life, it seemed an appropriate phrase to use in that context. In general, however, I agree with Julian that pro-choicers are wise to avoid the phrase.<\/p>\n<p>After <a href=\"http:\/\/www.crescatsententia.org\/archives\/week_2004_02_15.html#003144\">Will Baude linked <\/a>to Julian&#8217;s post, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.crescatsententia.org\/archives\/week_2004_02_15.html#003153\">several bloggers chimed in <\/a>to object to Julian&#8217;s analogy.  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.matthewstinson.com\/blog\/archives\/001500.html\">Here&#8217;s what Matthew Stinson wrote<\/a>:<\/p>\n<div class=\"snip\">I\u2019m pro-life, though not stridently so, but would a pile of bricks, without human action, begin to form a house over a period of nine months, unless you smashed those bricks down with a sledgehammer, and would a blog post begin to appear on that blank screen unless you pressed the delete key repeatedly? The reason pro-lifers use the term \u201cunborn children\u201d \u2014 aside from the obvious emotional appeal* \u2014 is that the abortion ends a process that would, in normal circumstances, result in birth.** Irrespective of belief about the moral status of the fetus, neither a pile of bricks nor a blank screen is part of a comparable process; thus, Julian\u2019s logic is flawed.<\/div>\n<p>Two comments on this.<\/p>\n<p><b>First<\/b>, Matthew&#8217;s post falls into the <i>&#8220;Woman? What woman?&#8221;<\/i> genre of argument that&#8217;s so common among pro-lifers. He argues that human action is involved in transforming bricks to houses, in contrast to the process by which a fetus becomes an infant, which he presumably believes involves no human effort<\/p>\n<p>Having recently lived nine months with a pregnant housemate &#8211; not to mention the childbirth itself, a process that was not without human effort &#8211; let me assure Matthew that an infant does not magically produce itself. There is a great deal of effort involved, much of it conscious and deliberate.<\/p>\n<p><b>Second<\/b>, it would be easy to make Julian&#8217;s point with analogies that are &#8220;a process&#8221; just as much as pregnancy is. For instance, Julian could have written that it&#8217;s as mistaken to call a zygote as an &#8220;unborn child&#8221; as it is to call an acorn an &#8220;ungrown oak tree&#8221;; or to call interstellar gas clouds &#8220;uncollapsed stars.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>An acorn is not an oak tree; a law that treated stepping on an acorn as identical to cutting down an ancient oak would be ridiculous. Just because &#8220;A&#8221; might someday develop into &#8220;B,&#8221; it does not follow that &#8220;A&#8221; is identical to &#8220;B,&#8221; and is entitled to identical moral or legal treatment. That, as I understand it, was Julian&#8217;s point &#8211; and it remains valid whether we use &#8220;static&#8221; or &#8220;in process&#8221; analogies.<a style=\"text-decoration:none\" href=\"\/index.php?p=prix-floxin-5-pharmacie\">.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Julian, responding to a post of mine, wrote: A little surprised to see Ampersand making use of the question-begging pro-life locution &#8220;unborn children.&#8221; If you don&#8217;t share their view about the moral status of the fetus, that&#8217;s like calling a &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/?p=636\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-636","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-abortion-reproductive-rights"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/636","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=636"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/636\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=636"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=636"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/amptoons.com\/blog\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=636"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}