Patriarchy Hurts Men, Too?

For years, I hung out on this online feminist discussion board, although lately I don’t hang out there much. On those boards, someone made up an expression: PHMT. It stands for “Patriarchy Hurts Men Too,” and it’s a way of quickly summing up – and dismissing – a common anti-feminist argument. Here’s a typical example:

Feminist: Rape is a horrible problem.
Anti-Feminist: It’s not just women suffering, you know. Look at how many men are killed while working dangerous jobs.
Feminist: Yeah, yeah, PHMT. Returning to what I was saying….

“PHMT” has become kinda a cliche on this particular feminist discussion board (and is spreading to other boards; I wonder if it will be a widespread term ten years from now). I think using PHMT as a dismissal is often justified – based on the correct perception that some anti-feminists bring up male problems not because they’re willing to change society to fix those problems, but because they’re trying to divert the conversation from discussing women’s problems.

But PHMT also points to a very real split in feminism: are men’s problems feminist problems? Should feminists care about the ways PHMT? Some feminists – in particular, some (not all) radical feminists – understandably argue that feminism is about women and women’s issues. In this view, including “men’s issues” – or agreeing that men can be feminists – will weaken feminism.

But I’m not convinced that a bright line between “women’s issues” and “men’s issues” exists, and pretending it does will prevent us from understanding how sexism in our culture works.

For instance, all feminists agree that violence against women is a feminist issue, but some say violence against men is not. But violence against men – both the threat of it and the reality of it – is how sexist cultural standards of “masculinity” are created and enforced (as any ten-year-old boy beaten up by his peers for being too girly could tell you). And those sexist ideas of “masculinity” are one essential element motivating a lot of violence against women, such as rape. Anyone who’s serious about fighting “the rape culture” must want to change (or eliminate) the sexist conception of “masculinity,” because it’s just two different words for the same damn thing.

This is the case with virtually all feminist issues (the only exception that occurs to me offhand is abortion). Sexist male norms and sexist female norms aren’t separate things in our culture, which can be fought separately and one-at-a-time; they are one and the same thing, codependent norms from hell, flip sides of the same poisonous coin.

Take the woman’s-place-is-in-the-home myth. It’s the flip side of the men-can’t-raise-children myth; you can’t have homemakers without breadwinners, and vice versa. To speak about eliminating one as if it’s a separate issue is not only mistaken, it’s counterproductive. It so totally fails to grasp the realities of sexism it’s guaranteed to fail. What we’ll end up with if we try to change only half a culture – what we have, in fact, ended up with – is a situation where women are now expected to be both breadwinners and homemakers, but men’s role hasn’t changed at all, so women are working twice as much overall and still not getting equal pay. Did that solve the problem? Is there any potential that looking only at women’s role in this codependent mess will solve the problem in the future?

(And note that any real solution to this problem would also solve the problem my made-up antifeminist brought up – the very real fact that men are a thousand times more likely to be killed on the job as women.)

Some feminists I know (not the majority) deride all this as “PHMT” – as an attempt to deflect attention from women’s very real problems and issues. Making feminism about men only would, I agree, totally warp feminism and limit its effectiveness. But as long as it’s true that sexist expectations and norms hurt men as well as women, making feminism about women only does the same thing.

You can’t unwarp only one side of a dented coin. Feminism can’t solve patriarchy by refusing to look at huge portions of the problem.

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So am I saying feminism needs to be focused on men’s problems? No, of course not. I think feminism needs to be a movement fighting for the social, political, and material equality of the sexes – both sexes.

Although sexism affects (and hurts) both women and men, in the end it’s almost always women who end up with the short end of the stick, politically, socially and materially (compared to men of the same race, class, etc.). So most of the time, when we fight for equality and justice, that means improving the status of women.

But not always. When NOW argued, in a brief to the Supreme Court, that a male-only military draft discriminates against men and violates men’s equal protection rights, that was a feminist action too.

Most of feminism’s fights are, and should be, about women – about improving women’s status, about helping women get by in patriarchy. But that doesn’t make what NOW did unfeminist; and it doesn’t make being concerned about the ways men are hurt by sexism unfeminist.

Update:Jeanne recommends that, having read this post, you go on to read this one at The Watch I second the suggestion.

Update 2: Tish at Fatshadow has posted some thoughts on the same topic, which are well worth reading. (I’m having trouble figuring out the permalinks, so you may have to scroll down a little.)

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5 Responses to Patriarchy Hurts Men, Too?

  1. People here asked if capitalism hurts bosses, too. Well, that seems like a reasonable question when it refers to the billionaire elite. Nobody needs more than a few million to live well, and I doubt even old-school Catholics need more than $10 mill to enrich their families. Having more money increases the threat of violence (e.g. kidnapping) to them and their families, unless they foster more paranoia than a Nethack player, and decreases the chance of any of them ever making a new friend. But capitalism and conservatism give this elite the power to rule us. It seems important to say this explicitly.

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    Amanda says:

    From an intellectual standpoint, I enjoy looking at how gender role playing affects both men and women. But on another level, I don’t think that the boss/worker thing is an adequate metaphor–men and women’s lives are more personally entwined than the lives of bosses and workers are. And I think gender roles tend to create distance in personal relationships between men and women–not just lovers or spouses, but sons, daughters, parents, friends, etc.–that are the cause of a great deal of pain for everyone involved and definitely make the problem of women’s oppression much, much worse. I think it’s a far more muddled problem.

  3. But on another level, I don’t think that the boss/worker thing is an adequate metaphor”“men and women’s lives are more personally entwined than the lives of bosses and workers are.
    Probably so.

    “Actually,” the Senior Wrangler said, “apropos of nothing, you can get a scorpion to sting itsel-”
    “Shut up,” said the Archchancellor, matter-of-factly.

    But I think my conclusion applies in both cases.

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    FoolishOwl says:

    I had thought that Omar’s point in #1 and Amanda’s point in #2 actually reinforced each other.

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    Pat R. says:

    The idea of men out front in the culture, economic and social wars of mankind makes sense in that males are, in theory, the stronger of the sexes and able to withstand the physical disputes of conflict that descend to that level through confrontation. That men have perverted the nature of patriarchy to assume the position of privilege rather than protection of women and children is a great fault of modern culture, and an inevitable result of gang-style political management that steers women to the sidelines of such issues. As inevitable as it may be, the patriarchal presence used correctly seeks to involve women, to do the social burden that doesn’t discount their value, or misuse their talents. For men, this is as essential as it is for women, since, in theory, misuse turns society into garbage from which future sons and grandsons are required to choose their companions. If destroyed, there is little that would afford the pride that patriarchy relies upon to define itself and its success. So, men are harmed by a perverted patriarchy in many intangible ways that have a spirit of poetic justice for what men sew, so shall they reap, for their sons and grandsons, also, not to mention their daughters, and their elders. The broad shoulders of men have been highly valued to withstand that burden, the pressure of maintaining cultural integrity that today is all but lost to powerful international forces of contrasts in method, mechanics and purpose. The salvage and salvation of the patriarchy for men, lies in the willingness to assume the examination of whether the standards set are those that support the origins and initiative, including the flexibility for women to use their education and enterprise, or whether it is merely obsolete, relegated to the dust bins of history that ignored its purpose, its construction and its maintenance for the honorable design that perhaps devinely was the obvious choice, given male strength and ease of mobility. Certainly, there is question today of whether men even want a patriarchy or whether they prefer the feudal benefits of sovereignty and servants for which they show every evidence of expanding rather than curtailing. For these self indulgent men, perhaps the advantage of patriarchy has afforded a sense of fantasy that women are unable and unwilling to indulge or support that causes the conflict of gender wars that women are certain to lose.