Talk about whatever you’d like. Self-linking is encouraged.
Oh, and here’s a creepy photoshop drawing from Pixeloo:
A relevant quote from law professor Amanda Frost: Attitudes towards nationwide injunctions also turn on one’s view of the courts…
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With regards to the courts, I think we’re about to see the Supremes tell lower courts that their rulings will…
the people he picks to work in his administration are supposed to support that effort as long as they don’t…
@Ron: What do you think Trump did in his first term that was unique or made a positive impact on…
During his first term Trump walked into the White House with no experience in government, so he selected a lot…
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A propos nothing in particular, my stupid question of the day: What do people who live in Jerusalem say at the end of Sedar? “Next year in Jerusalem” seems wrong somehow.
I’ve been told they say “next year in the rebuilt Jerusalem.”
That is a scary pic of Homer. I will probably be having nightmares now.
I was prolific this week. I wrote one really long piece about my polyamory, and then went and uploaded another really long piece that’s a story-ization of the first DnD session my friends and I had over the weekend.
I welcome comments on either, as long as they’re respectful.
And yes, way creepy picture of Homer. *shudder*
If you’ve been looking for Brownfemipower’s blog and can’t seem to find it, this might help:
Borrowing and Appropriating
I’ve been told they say “next year in the rebuilt Jerusalem.”
Given the social and political situation in Jerusalem, that’s a little creepy.
Thanks Daisy, for your link. It’s just awful.
This is the part that confuses me about the Marcotte thing.
Seems that the basic idea can be summed up in this quote from lexical’s comment:
And, well… does it? It is often preferable to make a point with as much support as you can get. But sometimes (often) we simply make a point, yes? And sometimes (often) we come to similar or identical conclusions as do other people, e.g. “the term ‘illegal’ is dehumanizing.” But unless we happen to be writing an academic paper, we do not have an obligation to cite every prior use of the term. Right?
So this is why I’m confused. I think there’s an important distinction between saying
“This point of yours would have been much stronger and better supported had you cited [certain POC bloggers]”
versus
“This point of yours is invalid, and you have actively discriminated, by failing to cite [certain POC bloggers.]”
Can someone help me understand the offense? I don’t see ANY links to non-news organizations, so it’s not as if Marcotte cited a variety of white bloggers for their opinions, while failing to cite any POC. It rather seems that Marcotte simply posted her own opinion, without citing anyone else’s opinion. I’m trying to figure out why that type of opinion piece is a problem.
Sailorman wrote: It rather seems that Marcotte simply posted her own opinion, without citing anyone else’s opinion. I’m trying to figure out why that type of opinion piece is a problem.
I think you can find an answer if you examine this assumption:
“Marcotte simply posted her own opinion, without citing anyone else’s opinion.”
To come to this conclusion, you need to assume a spectrum with these two extremes:
On one extreme side (A): Marcotte had read and learned nothing about immigration anywhere. She reads about an immigrant woman being raped. She then writes an article about her personal response to the article. She’s done no research, no investigation into the issue, never has, never will. She’s simply writing an piece about how this woman’s rape affects her personally.
On the other extreme side (B): Marcotte has read and learned a lot about immigration from a lot of sources. She may even be an immigrant herself who has suffered similar experiences. She reads about an immigrant woman being raped. She does further research before writing the piece. She then writes an article about the incident, provides footnotes, proper citations, etc. She submits it to an academic journal where everything she says is vetted by a panel of scholars familiar with the issue. Back and forth ensues and the piece ends up being published in an esteemed journal.
Right now, we have huge differences in where we would place Amanda’s article along this spectrum. For me, what you call “her own opinion”, should look like example A, which this particular article certainly is not.
Thanks for the reply, Ravenmn.
I guess I simply interpret the extremes differently. I think people can (and do) go way, way, beyond your Example A without acquiring a need to cite to their sources.
For example, I’m a lawyer. My own views on constitutional law and criminal prosecutions are derived from hundreds if not thousands of books, classes, blog posts, articles, and court cases. It is certain that some of my views are exactly in parallel with the views of prior, published authors, who I have read.
outside academics I say, and write, many things which would require citation in an academic world. Nobody wants to hear what I’m citing, other than judges.
And the Marcotte piece is notable not for the excellence of its writing (though I think it’s reasonably well written), but for the sheer GENERALITY of it all. So: she should cite someone? Well, that’s easy. Who?
ProblemChylde looks at this piece of the Marcotte column and implies she should be citing bfp:
This woman’s story demonstrates the way that the cut-and-dry distinctions between illegal and legal immigrants touted by the Lou Dobbses of the world tend to turn shades of gray when examined closely.
I, OTOH, look at that quote and think that Marcotte could 1) cite any one of the 10,000 places that I have heard that, or 2) logically argue that this is such a common and widely-spread (though not majority) belief that there is no reason in hell to cite to someone on it. She could cite my mother, for example.
So even if we move past #1 (why bfp? Why not anyone else? Hell, hasn’t Amp posted on that?) then #2 seems like a sticking point.
Marcotte’s whol article seems merely like a conglomeration of thoughts and points which have become so general as not to require citation.
Also, Amanda Marcotte has apparently put herself on record in the past as regular reader of bfp’s blog – it’s not just a question of a lack of research. There’s a link from Daisy’s blog to a post which breaks down the article to show that every point it makes, and every line of argument, is a rephrasing of one of bfp’s. Although sadly you can’t really follow up on the specifics because all the links now go to the hole in the internet where bfp’s blog was.
Goddammit. Ironically, one of the many, many reasons her blog was so invaluable was that in all the many blogwar explosions she’s been an unfailing voice of reason and, moreover, a voice that managed to lift the argument more successfully than anyone away from she-said-she-saids to the real issues behind it, while remaining passionate and eloquent and invested. I really, really hope she sees fit to start writing again.
Here’s the breakdown post
In reverse order:
Acheman Writes:
April 10th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
There’s a link from Daisy’s blog to a post which breaks down the article to show that every point it makes, and every line of argument, is a rephrasing of one of bfp’s.
Yes, I had followed that link before I wrote my original response. I also followed quite a few of the bfp links. Outside the context of the below paragraph, I am still not s sure taht it’s as damning as some seem to think it is.
that said:
Also, Amanda Marcotte has apparently put herself on record in the past as regular reader of bfp’s blog – it’s not just a question of a lack of research.
Ah. This, I did not know (I’m not a regular Marcotte reader at all,) and now that I do it makes the entire thing suddenly make tons more sense. And it entirely changes the context.
Thanks so much for explaining. I figured there was something I was missing, and I was right.
Yeah, sailorman, she is a regular reader of BfP, so that’s why her argument is so disingenuous. She says that immigration is a hot topic now. Like it’s something new on her horizon. Meanwhile she knows that BfP has been covering this for years and she’s been reading her for years. That is how Sylvia could find all those links to the way that everything that Marcotte is saying is rephrasing something BfP has said at one time or another and Marcotte had to have seen many if not most of those posts. The reason why people want BfP cited for this is because it is her life’s work, showing that immigrant issues are feminist issues, BfP has been way ahead of the curve on this but Amanda is playing dumb like she couldn’t have known. I’m not doubting that Amanda could have picked up bits and pieces here and there at other blogs, books, conferences etc but the big picture in our small feminist universe is that BfP is the go to woman on immigration being a feminist issue and everyone who is honest will admit that.
Amanda Marcotte, intellectually dishonest? I am shocked. Shocked!
Your link doesn’t work.
Indeed. Bad html; I apologise. I think it’s now up on one of the other threads.
I’m just helping to spread the word about this charming young entrepreneur:
http://fetchmemyaxe.blogspot.com/2008/04/laugh-clown-laugh-goddamit.html
he seems like such a nice young man.
Got my annual e-mail about the kids who were admitted to MIT. One of them was a kid I interviewed and recommended, which I do find gratifying. Posters in this forum commonly find diversity to be a goal to pursue and a virtue; check out the numbers below. The one I find most remarkable and perhaps most compelling is the one about how many admits are from families where neither parent has a college degree.
• 1,554 students out of 13,396 applicants (11.6% admit rate)
• 52% men, 48% women
• 10% are African American
• 28% are Asian American
• 32% are Caucasian/White
• 8% are Mexican American
• 1% are Native American
• 3% are Puerto Rican
• 3% are Other Hispanic
• 8% Other/No response
• 8% are international students
• 15% are first generation to college (students for whom both parents do not have a bachelors degree)
Where they live…
• 50 states represented, DC and 2 territories
• 66 foreign countries represented
• 1048 public high schools represented
Their achievements…
• 45% of those who are ranked are #1 in their high school class
• 92% of those who are ranked are in the top 5% of their high school class
• SAT mean scores – Verbal 714, Math 757
I am a member of what has been called “ America’s Most Despised Minority.” Recently, a member of the Illinois General Assembly, Monique Davis, made a series of profoundly disturbing statements:
If this was a rant delivered to a member of any other minority group, Rep. Davis would be out of a job…
Apparently Rep. Davis has offered Mr. Sherman an apology, offering that she has been quite upset lately over the rash of Chicago Public School children that have been killed lately (the last one beaten to death a block from his school with a baseball bat). Mr. Sherman has accepted the apology. During his acceptance he referred to Rep. Davis as a Negro, which a white columnist in the Tribune called him to task for. Mr. Sherman said that he was brought up to regard the term as one of respect (relative to other terms that I think we can all imagine) and saw no need to apologize for it.
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Congressman calls Obama “boy”
http://news.nky.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080414/NEWS0103/304150022&nocache=1
Apologies if it was already posted, I thought it noteworthy. I especially love that he’s got the old “black friend” defense going on.
Where Did All The Girl Geeks Go?
Excerpts follow:
I finally posted my review of Hereville! It’s quite flattering as I couldn’t think of much to criticize, but I assure you that I read the strips carefully and took a long time writing it:
http://blogaboutcomics.blogspot.com/2008/04/hereville.html
Just blogging away, on a claim of retaliation against police lieutenants. The police department is unhappy with my blog again. I love how the police chief whispers, I like your writing at least in between investigations of whether or not any information in the postings can be tied back to employees.