Anti-Choice Trolling Fail

So let’s say that I was a part of a couple, and one of us was pregnant.1 And let’s say we were ambivalent about having a child for one reason or another. Let’s say we were, as a couple, mulling over aborting the pregnancy.

What would happen then? Well, for most people, what would happen is that we’d discuss it, weigh our options, maybe talk to a trusted friend, and then, the person who was actually pregnant would make a final decision about whether to go forward with the pregnancy, or whether to have an abortion.

But what if we didn’t want that responsibility to fall on us? Well, we could ask the state to dictate to us whether or not we could have our child. But thanks to Roe v. Wade, that’s  a non-starter. Stupid state, not dictating to us what we should do.

So what else could we do? Well, we could turn to the internet for the answer! Yes, the internet, which we all know is filled with deeply thoughtful and reasonable people who would help us with our decision in a caring and wise fashion. What say we put up a website with a poll, asking whether we should have a baby or not? We’ll put the deadline as the last possible day that abortion is legal in our state, and then we’ll probably do what the kind, intelligent folks at 4chan tell us to do.

If this last line of thinking seems utterly disconnected from reality, you’re the couple behind birthornot.com, a website that is purportedly about letting the internet vote on whether Pete and Alisha Arnold of Apple Valley, Minnesota should have a child or an abortion.

Now, I say purportedly for a reason, but I don’t even have to get to that point for you to immediately say what I said when I read this: there is a better chance that I am the next Mr. Scarlett Johansson than that this website is on the up-and-up. It rings immediately false. What the exact motivation for the falseness is not immediately evident — it could be they’re looking for 15 minutes of internet fame, or that they think this is the path to a reality show. But Gawker’s writeup starts to get to the nub of it:

Pete, who described himself as a Libertarian, framed the couple’s majority-rule abortion as kind of an extreme civics lesson that he hoped would bring the abortion debate home. “Voting is such an important part of who we are as a people,” Pete said. “Here’s a chance where people can be heard about whether they are pro-choice or whether they are pro-life, and it makes a difference in the real world.”

We pointed out an obvious flaw with his logic: The vast majority of people who are pro-choice aren’t pro-abortion, so it wouldn’t figure that they would automatically vote for the abortion option. The only people who would probably vote for the abortion are trolls who want to piss off pro-lifers. (In fact the anarchic message board 4chan has already hijacked the poll a couple times, tilting it to the “abortion” side.) Pete countered that during elections, “people do silly stuff all the time, and their votes get counted anyway.”

As Gawker so aptly points out, this whole poll is just…wrong. It seems to betray a fundamental misunderstanding of what it is to be pro-choice. I’m not hoping every pregnant woman out there rushes down to Planned Parenthood to abort. And I wouldn’t tell anyone else what they should do when considering an abortion — not even a spouse or a child — because I don’t even own a uterus, and I certainly don’t have even the slightest bit of claim over anyone else’s.

But it’s this misunderstanding of the pro-choice position that gives the game away. Anyone who’s truly pro-choice would understand why putting a woman’s right to choose up for a vote is wrong. And so we’re left to wonder if the Arnolds aren’t the rabidly pro-choice libertarians that Pete says they are.

Of course, we don’t need to wonder very much. Tracy Clark-Flory espies some useful data on Pete Arnold:

Clearly, this screams “pro-life” Internet prank. The couple insisted to Gawker that they are for real, but their Web trail might suggest otherwise: Pete once posted his super-pro-G.W. thoughts on CNN, and Alisha is a fan of Glenn Beck on Facebook.

Okay…sure, lots of pro-choicers are big Glenn Beck fans. And they loves them some Dubya. And most of them have Facebook profile pictures wearing shirts that talk about them “clinging to their god and their guns.”

Ah, but it gets better. You see, Pierre “Pete” Arnold III also used to be a “researcher, contributor, and part time producer for the Race to the Right radio show in St Cloud.” He blogged at Always Right, Usually Correct, which had a hard anti-choice bent. He used the aliases “The Pete” and “Zeeboid” — indeed, the latter is both a domain he owns and the userid for his gmail account — but it’s not that hard to track down. He operates (or used to operate) a site called “The Church of Global Warming.”

Yes, you say, but it’s still possible that the Arnolds are that rarest of creatures, the radical conservative pro-choicer.2

To which I say…remember that I told you Pete likes the name “Zeeboid?” And that he uses it as his gmail handle? Well, what do we have here — it’s an edit in the dKosopedia for “Pro-choice.” An edit on July 16, 2006, by user “Zeeboid.”

Behold, Pete Arnold’s early days of trolling

The term “pro-choice” is used by men and women who support a woman’s right to kill an unborn child.

The term means that a woman has the right to determine whether or not she will be pregnant by killing a baby that has already been conceived.

Also Refered to as Pro Abortion

And…we’re done here. Pete Arnold is an anti-choice troll. He’s upped his game from vandalizing wikis, but it’s just a question of degree, not goal. He and his wife have put together a web stunt to prove either that pro-choicers are callous, bloodthirsty maniacs (which would lead them what Amanda Marcotte predicts is the obvious “change of heart”), or that pro-choicers, faced with the choice to actually “kill a baby that has already been conceived,” will choose not to, because it’s a child, not a choice.

But Pete and Alisha Arnold failed in their trolling, simply because they fundamentally misunderstood the pro-choice view. It’s not surprising; being anti-choice means that you want to decide for others what they must do when faced with the decision to have a child. It’s only natural for them to assume that pro-choicers must want to force women to have abortions against their will. After all, to an anti-choicer, “against their will” is how women should do pretty much everything; it’s just a question of who’s making the decisions for them.

  1. Probably not me. []
  2. That is to say, the rare radical conservative public pro-choicer. Plenty of radical righties are pro-choice when their own uteruses are involved. []
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14 Responses to Anti-Choice Trolling Fail

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    paul says:

    Think of all the things they could have done to help actual women and children with the energy they’re spending on trolling. It kinda terrifies me to consider that they might actually be going to be parents. Would it be wrong to report these folks to their local child-protection agency?

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    B. Adu says:

    Yeah, thanks for this. I found the whole enterprise deeply odd and just assumed I wasn’t getting it. Their reasons for this concerns about juggling, the fact that you she’s x weeks pregnant and you have so many weeks to vote before the legal time limit kicks in. Even the regularly updated scans seemed a bit odd.

    Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but I wondered if they considered that their weight might skewer the results of their ‘experiment’, IOW, some folks could just be voting for fat people not to procreate.

    Just an aside.

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    Sebastian says:

    Before you worry about fat-haters, shouldn’t you consider the people who would like stupid assholes out of the gene pool?

    Snark aside, the stunt, because it can be nothing but a stunt, can be effective. And is definitely anti-abortion. Something like this, arguably a matter of death or life, should not be decided by strangers voting. The next logical step is that it should be decided by those most affected – and then, it all depends on whether you consider the fetus a person, or not. I.e. nothing new is brought to the table.

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    B. Adu says:

    Before you worry about fat-haters, shouldn’t you consider the people who would like stupid assholes out of the gene pool?

    Yeah, anyone putting a decision on whether to have an abortion or not to a internet poll would instinctively draw the ‘save any potential progeny from this hell’ vote.

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    Allison Zapata says:

    The whole thing is so dumb.

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    jules says:

    Yeah, anyone putting a decision on whether to have an abortion or not to a internet poll would instinctively draw the ‘save any potential progeny from this hell’ vote.

    My first thought was, “If you can’t even decide whether or not you want to, or are able to, care for a child, and then think that the right way to handle this is to ask the internet, you probably *shouldn’t* be a parent.”

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    Kai Jones says:

    What really made me sure it was a troll was that there was no opportunity to vote for them to give the baby up for adoption.

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    Nancy Lebovitz says:

    Damn. That kind of survey would work nicely as a parody of the anti-choice position.

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    Marci says:

    Choice means I want *my* choice to choose. Not yours to choose for me. I’m nearly libertarian myself, and I want fewer people telling me what to do, not more people telling me what I should/must do.

    It’s hard to imagine any libertarian inviting someone else to control their choices. That’s basically the opposite position any libertarian would take.

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    Robert says:

    If I ever run into Scarlett, I’ll let her know she’s got a “safe bet” waiting for her.

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    Nikki says:

    On her 1st birthday the internet will vote on her birthday presents, and when she’s 13 the internet will vote on her boyfriend and when she’s 18 the internet will pick her husband! Three cheers for patriarchy!

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    Shannon says:

    It didn’t seem real to me because they have an ultrasound picture from EVERY single week. Why would anybody have that many ultrasounds? I think they’re just random from the Internet.

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    squatlo says:

    Anyone who would do this and seriously consider allowing the public to decide the fate of their pregnancy is obviously unfit to raise a child. My guess (as disinterested as I might be) would be that they’re merely trying to get some face time (ala balloon boy or the White House party crashers) or maybe even a reality show contract leading up to their “decision” to keep the baby. All warm and fuzzy, teary eyed at their final call, America would weigh in on the evils of legal abortion, making their little “ordeal” a cause celebre’ long enough to push their agenda.

    I think the state should use the same method to determine whether or not that state’s residents want to put down a convicted criminal. Let’s have the vote tally on national television updated every night on the news, and then telecast the execution if that’s the way the votes go down.
    I’m being facetious about a subject I care deeply about, so forgive the levity. These people are just publicity seekers pushing a pro-life agenda, and shouldn’t get another second of our time or attention.