Discrimination against fat people

A pretty interesting article in the Star Tribune about workplace discrimination against fat people.

Meanwhile, in today’s competitive job market, bias against overweight people is commonplace, obesity-rights advocates say. The overweight are slighted in the areas of hiring, promotion, compensation and layoffs, according to Mark Roehling, an assistant professor at Michigan State University, who reviewed 49 studies on the subject.

Roehling has interviewed dozens of heavy people about their job-hunting experiences. One woman told him that she sat at a job interview and watched in horror as her interviewer wrote in big letters across the top of her résumé: “TOO FAT.”

Discrimination is especially acute in workplaces where a premium is placed on personal appearance, such as executive-level positions, sales, public relations and other areas where client contact is key, said Mary Story, a University of Minnesota professor who studies obesity.

In a 1990 study of several hundred people by University of Vermont professor Esther Rothblum, the heaviest were most likely to report they’d been denied benefits including health insurance because of their size. Many said they had been fired or threatened with dismissal for weight reasons.

Women suffer the greatest unfairness, she said. “They don’t have to weigh very much for employment discrimination to kick in.”

Rothblum once showed a set of identical résumés to a group of students. Half the résumés stated that the fictitious female job seeker was 120 pounds. The other half put her weight at 180 pounds. She asked the students to rate the woman’s professional competence and suggest her appropriate salary range.

The 180-pound woman scored dramatically lower. “The amazing thing about that experiment,” Rothblum said, “is that, actually, 180 pounds is not that heavy. Imagine what larger people experience. I think fat people underestimate how much of their daily encounters are different because of their weight.”

The article also attempts to justify the discrimination by pointing to a RAND study which found that obese people spend more on health care than smokers or chronic drinkers, leading to higher health care costs of hiring obese workers. From what I can tell, the Rand study in question is pretty flawed.

  • The study doesn’t account for ways in which obesity might be an effect of, rather than a cause of, chronic health conditions. Many health conditions can lead to large weight gains, either directly, as a side effect of medication, or through decreased exercise. It’s incorrect to count these instances as cases in which obesity causes disease, but that’s what the RAND study does.
  • Due to massive discrimination against fat people, it wouldn’t surprise me if obese people were more likely to seek treatment for depression. But if so, the cause may be prejudice against fat people, and not fatness itself.
  • Obese people are extremely likely to see doctors and take medications as part of weight-loss plans. This shouldn’t be counted as equivalent to the way smokers are more likely to need cancer treatments – but that’s what the RAND study does.

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Protest Advertising

While browsing around at Wired Magazine I came across this article about MAdGE, a New Zealand group opposed to genetic engineering, and their latest ad campaign revolving around billboards with this picture of a woman with four breasts hooked up to a milking machine.

Alannah Currie, the group’s founder, said she designed the ads to provoke an ethical debate.

[…]

The public response has been mixed. MAdGE has gotten some complaints from people who find the billboards offensive.

“It is definitely degrading to women, but more degrading to women is putting human genes in milk,” Currie said. “It’s punk art.”

The biotech industry is predictably unhappy about the billboards.

“MAdGE’s latest grasp for public attention denigrates women and illustrates what little grasp this group has of reality,” said William Rolleston, chairman of the Life Sciences Network, a biotech industry organization for New Zealand and Australia, in a statement.

The article and ad both caught my eye, and I was curious as to what Alas readers would think of it. Is the image degrading to women? Is there such a thing as “punk art” that can be degrading in order to promote a cause that the advertiser believes is just? This ad strikes me as being of a different character than the infamous PETA supermodel ads, but I haven’t entirely made my mind up about it and will have to think about it a bit more.

I don’t want this to turn into a debate about genetic engineering, but I’d like to hear what people think of this ad..

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Some stuff Ampersand has recently read

There’s, like, ten thousand things I’ve missed posting links to lately, while I’ve been busy painting and working and suchlike. I won’t even attempt to catch up. But here’s a few of the things that are open in my browser right now:

  • Over at Cut on the Bias, I’ve been participating in a discussion of art and comics with the (mostly right-wing) group that hangs out there. Right-wing cartoonist Chris Muir, of Day by Day, has also been contributing. (I like Chris’ cartoons better than he likes mine, alas).

    (If anyone from Alas comments over there, by the way, please be polite!)

  • Susanna linked to this essay about Dave Sim’s misogyny, which I thought was pretty good.
  • The Washington Post reports on a study which found that the more people watch FoxNews, the less they’re able to accurately answer factual questions about the war in Iraq.
  • You may think you’re geeky, but compared to some people, you’re not a geek at all. Check out this apartment for sale on Ebay.
  • Lots of people have linked to this Calpundit post on the Texas Republican party, and rightly so. The Republican party is being taken over by people who are, frankly, scarey.
  • Of all the Rush-mocking articles I’ve read lately, this one – If Bill Clinton were an addict, this is how Rush might spin it – is the most on-target.
  • Arnold Kling’s much-linked tech-central column criticizing Paul Krugman is fairly on-target, I think. Although Krugman actually uses a lot more “type C” arguments than Kling credits him for. Via Brad DeLong.
  • If you haven’t been reading the comments to PDP’s post “Ms. Fat-so,” you should – there’s been some really good discussion there. Fatshadow also added a typically well-written comment on her own blog.
  • The best interview with candidates I’ve seen in ages: a local paper uses Philip K. Dick’s Voight-Kampff Test to find out if the candidates are humans or replicants. Via Charles Murtaugh.
  • Have you heard of Terri Schiavo? I hadn’t, until yesterday. She’s a woman in a coma (or maybe not, according to some folks) who was taken off her feeding tube yesterday. It’s a fascinating issue, and one that’s apparently very big in some right-wing circles. Amy Welborn has some informative links. Or for a wider range of views, check google news. Via Eve Tushnet.
  • “Resolved: It is a complete fabrication that the Bush administration argued in the runup to the war that there was an imminent thread from Iraq.” This question is being debated semi-formally by Jonathan Schwarz and Sebastian Holsclaw on Daniel Drezner’s blog; if you enjoy debate, check it out.
  • Will Baude of Crescat Sententia points to an good Dahlia Lithwick article taking apart Greg Easterbrook’s “no doesn’t mean no” argument. There’s much more discussion of this going on – scroll around on Crescat Sententia to find more links.
  • Also at Crescat Sententia, Amy Lamboley responds to part of my wage gap series. I don’t really disagree with Amy; obviously (and thanks mainly to feminism), things have improved substantially since Amy’s mother entered the workforce. If Amy’s arguing that discrimination is no longer a significant factor at all, I’d disagree with her, but I’m not sure that is what she’s arguing.
  • Eve Tushnet has been arguing against same-sex marriage. I disagree with Eve, but her blog is a good place to go if you want to see the most intelligent, coherent arguments agailable against SSM – just click here and then scroll upwards. I hope to find time to respond to some of Eve’s points in the next week.

    Oh, and hey: Congrats to Eve on her new post as editor of the Marriage Deabte blog.

Whoops – time for me to run to work. I haven’t spell-checked this post; hopefully none of my typos will be too humiliating..

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Light poppy-showers for a while

I meant to put up a new post earlier today but I wasn’t able to finish writing it because something came up; namely, my dad had to have emergency surgery for a perforated colon. The operation was successful and it looks as though he’ll recover nicely, but between hospital visits and my new job it might be a while before you see that post or any other.

I don’t know, though, we’ll just have to see.

So that this won’t have been an entirely depressing post, I ask you to please contemplate the limitless possibilities of the eighteen-cent piece, as well as some bizarre little serfs in the animal kingdom.

Note: this post was posted by PinkDreamPoppies, a guest-blogger. This post was not posted by bean or Ampersand..

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"Ms. Fat-so"

A typical day: When I walk out of my home, a flyer stapled to the telephone pole I pass on the way to my car proclaims, “Lose 30 pounds in 30 days … Ask me how!” On the way to work, I pass six skinny joggers, 12 Port Authority bus-boards with skinny, beautiful women on them, and four billboards related to health and beauty featuring tiny women.

Throughout the day, I receive 36 spam e-mails suggesting I should lose weight. Every time I log into my e-mail, I am treated to a large banner ad telling me I can “look better naked” through a certain weight-loss plan (an ad I see a total of 28 times during my workday).

Four times throughout the day, I pass the hallway vending machine, where the healthiest treat is a bag of pretzels, ridiculous with sodium.

By the time I am ready for bed, I have been reminded in 19 different ways and around 130 times that I am fat; that fat people are unattractive and undesirable; that fat people should be made fun of and feel ashamed of ourselves; and that we need to lose weight to be accepted, successful, beautiful.

Worth a look. (Brought to you by the Colorado Springs Independent by way of the Pittsburgh City Paper.).

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Seven ways to have fun this weekend

1. Drop by Lost in Translation, a site that specializes in making fun of translating software by turning it against itself. The site uses some sort of technological thing beyond my ability to comprehend to translate a phrase so many times that it makes even less sense than Engrish.

For example, something like this:

The dark figure streaming with fire raced towards them. The orcs yelled and poured over the stone gangways. Then Boromir raised his horn and blew. Loud the challenge rang and bellowed, like the shout of many throats under the cavernous roof. For a moment the orcs quailed and the fiery shadow halted. Then the echos died as suddenly as a flame blown out by a dark wind, and the enemy advanced again.

Becomes this nugget of clarity:

Of nondark the sketch in these accessories and ecceduto of the orders to compete he, who it left it to the work? In the point of the product of the rock, the one that extends, followed orcs the external part. And Boromir, alongside advanced of this and jumped angle, interior in her is increased. In winch the end to look like much throat to give to the form and its noises of the shout that are considering a challenge, shout constantly repaired to the fact they with dachs of the most inferior piece of the term of the repair perforateing that one which of the sieve of the shout are. Orcs, comes in him the extreme color, that arrests dubbing. As much how much the this chronometers are he who without the recognition comes the one from stampini of timeth of two and and was an enemy and a fire here, where the extension of the wind and the echo leave ignition.

2. For those of you who remember Transformers, one of the better-written animated television series to come from this side of the Pacific, or for those of you who just want to see something a bit different, check out amateur-made but professional-looking movie clip of a new Volkswagon Beetle transforming into a giant robot.

3. Buy a CD (or download some MP3s if you’re a scurvy mate), or, alternatively, just stare at your empty (or in Amp’s case dearly departed) wallet and wish that you could buy a CD. This weekend I’ll be listening to M83’s Dead Cities, Red Seas & Lost Ghosts, Dntel’s Life Is Full of Possibilities, My Bloody Valentine’s Loveless, and Jóhann Jóhannsson’s Englabörn. What can I say? I’m in the mood for static and electronics, I guess.

4. See if you can come up with six ways in which this picture doesn’t look like a modern Gap or Abercrombie ad. And, yes, the fact that she’s clothed in the first place counts as a difference. (Bonus! If you want to prove to yourself that you’re more culturally literate than I, see if you can recognize the woman in the photograph without being told who she is.)

5. Read a study about the forces required to drag sheep across various surfaces, the (scientifically validated) uniquely simple personalities of politicians, the composition of belly-button lint, and how to make frogs and sumo wrestlers hover, courtesy of the Ig® Nobel Prizes. (I think my favourite story from there is the one about the village of the dead in India.)

6. Learn about and experience some truly wonderful optical illusions at Sandlot Science. Be warned, though, that the site is pretty Java-intensive so it might be problematic for persons with abnormal browsers (i.e., not Netscape or Internet Explorer) or persons with slower connections. I used to have a really great optical illusion page in my bookmarks, but unfortunately it’s slipped away into that great chasm that inevitably develops between a new computer and an old one.

7. Have some fun with Google and Ogden’s Basic English: go to a word list for Basic English; pick a few words at random; run a Google search for those words using the “I’m Feeling Lucky” button; see what sort of interesting things you can find out about. For instance, a search for “industry goat development” takes me to this abstract (in PDF form) from the International Goat Association (who knew there was such an association?) about the “Role and Strategy of Goat Rearing Industry in Poverty Alleviation and Development.”

I promise to post something a bit more serious on Monday. Until then, have fun!.

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Guest Blogging with PinkDreamPoppies

As he’s mentioned, Ampersand is going to be pretty busy with his new house (ah, the joys of paint and wallpaper) so he’s asked me, PinkDreamPoppies, to do a bit of guest blogging here at Alas, a Blog for awhile.

I’ll be starting a new job next Wednesday so I may have to cut out for a bit in the latter half of next week, but other than that I’ll be doing my best to write some quality posts.

Sorry in advance for any technical problems in my posts. I’ve not used MovableType before so accidents are liable to happen..

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Some Evidence of Discrimination (wage gap series, part 9)

(This is one of a series of posts on the wage gap.)

In this post, I’ll address a very simple question: what evidence is there that economic discrimination against women currently exists in the USA? Reading the works of conservatives like Christina Hoff Sommers, one gets the impression that economic discrimination against women might not exist at all, nowadays. Unfortunately, that’s not true.

This post won’t even come close to describing the hundreds of academic papers and news reports which have found evidence of discrimination against women. Instead, I’ll be looking at just a few examples that clearly demonstrate that economic discrimination against women, contrary to the claims of the anti-feminists, is a real problem.

Audits

What happens if two otherwise identical people, one male and one female, apply for the same job? This is one of the clearest ways of showing discrimination. If discrimination never happens, then otherwise identical men and women would get identical results in the job market.

Of course, in the real world, no two people are ever identical. But researchers can fake it. For instance, economist David Neumark[1] conducted an “audit study.” “The purpose of an audit study is to provide much more direct evidence on discrimination than is provided by other empirical methods.” Male and female job applicants, chosen for similar characteristics, and trained to act in similar ways, applied in pairs for waiter positions in restaurants in Philadelphia. The applicants used fictional resumes that had been designed to show equal qualifications for a waiter position.

The results? 85% of the job offers from high-price restaurants (where wages are correspondingly high) were made to male job applicants. In contrast, 80% of the job offers from low-price, low-wage restaurants were made to women. This is clear evidence of sex discrimination in employment – evidence which might explain how it is that waitresses in the United States are paid only 75% of what waiters make.

Job Applicants Without Sex

[Note from Barry, added in 2019: The research I referred to in this section has recently been called into question. I’ve put the entire section in italics, and added this note, to indicate that I’m currently uncertain if I can stand behind this section.]

Another interesting question is, what would happen if employers hired people without knowing their sex? If the anti-feminists are correct and sex discrimination doesn’t exist, then this would make no difference – employers would hire the same people whether or not they knew the sex of job applicants.

Of course, since employers quite reasonably want to interview people before hiring them, it generally never happens that people are hired without the employer knowing their sex. An interesting exception to this rule is major symphony orchestras. Most major symphony orchestras now practice “blind auditions,” in which musicians audition for a spot in the orchestra from behind a screen. Symphony directors choose which candidates to hire without knowing the sex of the person auditioning.

The economists Claudia Goldin and Cecilia Rouse, in a paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research,[2] asked an interesting question: do female musicians have a better chance of being hired when the judges don’t know their sex? Using data from actual audition records, they found that blind auditioning “increases by 50%” a woman’s odds of getting past preliminary auditions, and by several times increases the chance that a woman will win the final round of auditions. As much as 55% of the increase in women in symphony orchestras since the 1970s is due to the use of blind auditions.

Pay Differences Among the Highly Paid

Anti-feminists often complain that feminists don’t account for important economic factors – such as “occupation, age, experience, education, and time in the work force”[3] – when comparing male and female pay. Curiously, however, the anti-feminists themselves ignore many studies that account for all these factors and more, and still find a wage gap. Moreover, they often include economically irrelevant factors – such as comparing only the wages of very young women and men, as if discrimination among people ages 33 and up isn’t something we should be concerned with. (To read more about this, click here.)

One of the best studies of the sort the anti-feminists urge, considering as many economically relevant factors as possible, was done by the economists Robert Wood, Mary Corcoran and Paul Courant.[4] By looking at a very specific and detailed sample of workers – graduates of the Michigan Law School – they were able to examine the wage gap while matching men and women for many other possible explanatory factors – not only “occupation, age, experience, education, and time in the workforce,” but also childcare, average hours worked, grades while in college, and other factors.

The result? Even after accounting for all that, women still are paid only 81.5% of what men “with similar demographic characteristics, family situations, work hours, and work experience” are paid.

Department of Labor Audits

Federal contractors are periodically examined by the Department of Labor to see if they are complying with federal laws requiring equal treatment of female and male employees. According to the National Committee on Pay Equity, the DOL still needs to order companies to halt their unequal treatment of women. The NCPE website gives some examples:

  • Texaco, which agreed to pay $3.1 million to 186 female employees who were found to be systematically underpaid compared to their male counterparts.
  • Trigon Blue Cross Blue Shield, which paid $264,901 in back pay to 34 women managers who were paid less than male managers of equal qualifications and seniority.
  • US Airways, which agreed to pay $390,000 in back pay and salary adjustments to 30 women managers who were paid less than their male coworkers.
  • Corestates Financial Corp., which agreed to pay nearly $1.5 million in back wages and salary adjustments to women and minorities. The Labor Department found instances in which employees with more seniority or better performance reviews were paid less because they were women or minorities.

EEOC lawsuits are also worth considering. According to HR Magazine (May 2005), “At least 24,000 sex discrimination complaints have been filed with the EEOC each year since 1998, and the dollar figure for settlements during the same time period has nearly doubled. In 2004 alone, the EEOC resolved more than 10,000 sex discrimination complaints in favor of the charging party and recovered $100.8 million in monetary benefits for charging parties and other aggrieved individuals (not including monetary benefits obtained through litigation).”

Women get less credit for their work.

It’s long been believed by feminists that women often need to accomplish more than men in their field to be given the same credit. A recent study of scientific credit, published in the journal Nature, seems to prove the feminists right.[6]

What the Nature study did was examine productivity (measured in terms of publications in scientific journals, how many times a person was a “lead author” of an article, and how often the articles were cited in scientific journals) and sex. Publication in peer-reviewed scientific journals is often considered to be the most objective and “concrete” sign of accomplishment in the sciences. These factors were then compared to how an actual scientific review panel measured scientific competence when deciding which applicants would receive research grants. Receiving grants like these are essential to the careers of scientific researchers.

The results? Female scientists needed to be at least twice as accomplished as their male counterparts to be given equal credit. For example, women with over 60 “impact points” – the measure the researchers constructed of scientific productivity – received an average score of 2.25 “competence points” from the peer reviewers. In contrast, men with less than 20 impact points also received 2.25 competence points. In fact, only the most accomplished women were ever considered to be more accomplished than men – and even then, they were only seen as more accomplished than the men with the very fewest accomplishments.

Other studies have found similar results. [7]

Discrimination against female consumers.

Most research on economic discrimination has been concentrated on work and working. However, there are other kinds of economic discrimination which should be considered, such as discrimination against consumers. In her book Why Women Pay More, Frances Cerra Whittelsey detailed many examples of women being charged more than men for the same products and services (for example, for dry-cleaning a plain cotton shirt).

Whittelsey’s book in some ways implies that part of the problem is that women may not negotiate as well as men (for instance, she includes some good advice on how to negotiate prices when buying a car). Professor Ian Ayres, of the Northwestern University School of Law, used audit testing to examine this question.[8] Testers of different sexes and races were trained to use a single, uniform negotiating strategy for all car negotiations. Professor Ayres measured both initial offers, before any negations had begun, and final outcomes of negotiations.

The results? White men consistently got far better deals than white women, black women or black men – even though all of them used the same negotiating strategy. According to Professor Ayres, “white women had to pay forty percent higher markups than white men; black men had to pay more than twice the markup; and black women had to pay more than three times the markup of white male testers.” A black woman walking into a car dealership, and negotiating just the same as a white man, ends up paying $900 more for her car.

Footnotes: [1] Neumark, David (1996). “Sex Discrimination in Restaurant Hiring: An Audit Study.” The Quarterly Journal of Economics, August 1996, pages 915-941

[2] Goldin, Claudia and Cecilia Rouse (1997). “Orchestrating Impartiality: The Impact of “Blind” Auditions on Female Musicians.” NBER Working Paper number W5903, issued January 1997.

[3] Quote from page 12 of Furchtgott-Roth, Diana and Christine Stolba (1999). Women’s Figures: An illustrated guide to the economic progress of women in America. Washington, D.C.: The AEI press.

[4] Wood, Robert, Mary Corcoran and Paul Courant (1993). “Pay Differences Among The Highly Paid: the male-female gap in lawyers salaries.” Journal of Labor Economics volume 11 (3), pages 417-441.

[5] Quoted from the National Committee on Pay Equity, at http://www.feminist.com/fairpay/f_talkingpoints.htm

[6] Wenneras, Christine and Agnes Wold (1997). “Nepotism and Sexism in Peer-Review.” Nature, volume 387, May 22 1997, pages 341-343.

[7] Wenneras and Wold, for example, cite similar results found by Goldberg (1968), Trans-Action, volume 5 pages 28-30; Nieva and Gutek (1980), Acad. Manag. Rev, volume 5 pages 267-276; and O’Leary and Wallston, Review of Personal Social Psychology volume 2 pages 9-43. Also, see Johnson, Dan (1997). “Getting Noticed in Economics: the determinants of academic citations.” The American Economist, volume 41 (1), Spring 1997, pages 43-52.

[8] Ayres, Ian (1991). “Fair Driving: Gender and Race Discrimination in Retail Car Negotiations.” Harvard Law Review, volume 104 (4), February 1991, pages 817-872.

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My wallet was stolen

This past Sunday, my wallet was stolen. It’s annoying, but it could be worse – imagine if this had happened the week before we closed on the house, for instance, and I hadn’t had any legal I.D. when all those papers needed signing.

I lost the wallet late Sunday afternoon, and by early Sunday evening the thief was using my credit cards to buy bus passes (which I assume are easily converted into currency, or maybe used as currency). Which I find oddly reassuring. If he (she?) hadn’t used the cards, I’d be dithering, wondering if I had really lost my wallet or if it was going to turn up under a sofa cushion next week and I’d be regretting canceling the credit cards.

I bought a new wallet yesterday evening. It occurs to me that my 25 or so walletless hours were the first time I haven’t owned a wallet since I was a child. An odd, brief moment of walletlessness in an otherwise walleted life..

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Myth: If women really got paid less for similar work, then employers would replace all of the male workers with female workers (wage gap series, part 8)

(This is one of a series of posts on the wage gap.)

On page 16 of the anti-feminist economics handbook Women’s Figures, the authors explain that “if women were only paid seventy-four cents on a man’s dollar, then a firm could fire all its men, replace them with women, and have a cost advantage over rivals.” This argument – or some variation of it – is commonplace among anti-feminists (for another example, see Warren Farrell’s discussion in his book The Myth of Male Power).

This argument sounds logical enough – so long as we assume that no other factors aside from the wage gap are operating. But in the real-world economy, other factors are always operating. (Curiously enough, this flawed logic can be used to “prove” not only that discrimination against women doesn’t exist, but also that racial discrimination doesn’t exist, and furthermore that neither racial nor sexual discrimination has ever existed.)

Some industries have, in effect, saved money by gradually replacing a male work force with a female work force. But there are many reasons employers might retain a male workforce, even though the pay gap means that men are paid more on average.

Why employers would retain a male work force.

If the only thing in the world to think about was the gender pay gap, no doubt many employers would look for ways to immediately replace their male workforces. But that’s not how things work in the real world. Employers have many compelling reasons not to fire all the men; here are just a few.

  • To deliberately replace male workers with female workers in order to save money (rather than letting market forces do the same thing more gradually) is a sure way to get sued.
  • The female workforce is not infinite; there aren’t enough women to fill all the jobs in the US currently held by men, in addition to the jobs women already have.
  • Many industries have union contracts to contend with.
  • The transition costs of replacing all one’s male employees (especially in male-dominated workplaces) may well be higher than the costs of the wage gap; hiring and training new workers is very expensive.
  • Those transition costs are even higher when you consider how unhappy and unmotivated the men will be to train their female replacements.
  • Customers in some industries may prefer to be waited on by men (customer-level discrimination is one theory as to why high-price restaurants prefer male servers).
  • The employer may simply be prejudiced, and thus willing to pay the extra price to avoid employing women in some positions (this is conservative economist Gary Becker’s theory).
  • The employer has community relations – and customer relations – to worry about.

For all these reasons and more, the fact that men still find employment is no proof that discrimination doesn’t exist.

Chicken and egg: women replacing men just as wages drop.

Even though employers have strong motivations not to replace male workers with female workers, it still has happened occasionally – although not in the tidy and unrealistic way pay gap critics suggest. When it happens, it’s not a conscious process, but rather the normal workings of a free-but-imperfect market (which makes it hard to recognize that such a thing has happened until it’s over). So in the 1980s, for example, insurance companies cut wages (or allowed inflation to lower wages), and over the same period insurance adjusters changed from a mainly-male occupation to a mainly-female occupation.

Historically, this process has happened many times; for instance, schoolteacher wages dropped as towns discovered that hiring a schoolmarm was cheaper than hiring a male teacher. Similarly, secretarial wages plummeted as that occupation became female-dominated. In a well-documented example, bank tellers changed from a male-dominated to a female-dominated occupation as wages (and prestige) dropped.

So which comes first, wages dropping, or women joining an occupation? This is a chicken-and-egg question. The adjustment from a male workforce to a female workforce is gradual; both changes happen together. A vicious cycle is formed; as more women join the occupation, wages get lower; and as wages get lower, fewer men apply for the job, increasing the proportion of women.

A misunderstanding of what the wage gap actually measures

Finally, the why-don’t-they-fire-all-the-men argument is based on a severe misunderstanding of the wage gap. Contrary to this argument’s assumption, the wage gap does not primarily measure difference in pay between women and men in identical jobs. Read my earlier entry What Causes the Pay Gap? for more information.

Postscript: James (of Hobson’s Choice), responding to Duane (of The Forest for the Trees) in the comments to an earlier post, took a different approach to rebutting this same argument. I hope James won’t mind if I reproduce his comments here:

Duane brings up an argument used by early students of economics. (For those who didn’t understand the argument, it goes like this: if women were paid less than men, employers would hire women since they would cost less. This would drive up the wages of female workers and the discrimination would vanish.)

There are at least two reasons why this is not true. The first is that the labor market is not the same as the market for–say–milled sugar. Discrimination by gender may occur inadvertantly because employers use it to reduce “search” costs, which reflects network externalities to hiring male employees. This is a standard problem in labor markets, which are notoriously inefficient. Not only that, but consider the cultural obstacles of a woman in a job search. Women are barred in nearly all cultures (including ours) from being aggressive in certain situations, yet aggressiveness is usually a decisive factor in selling one’s labor.

The other reason the argument doesn’t work is that labor markets are segmented. In theory, a market where laborers have unlimited movement between markets for which they are qualified, and where good information exists about prices, etc. would not be segmented. Competing firms would have every reason to hire workers from a “global pool” which included women. Discrimination would only harm the discrimator.

But in the world where we live, segmented labor markets can benefit the entrepreneur (in the sense that not discriminating against workers is not part of a Nash Equilibrium). The reason for this is that in most labor markets there is an oligopoly in each sector (e.g., there are only two department stores in my neighborhood) and an oligopsony in each labor market (i.e., there are at most only three plausible employers for a given worker at a given time). Now, because the firm is an oligopoloid firm it will produce at a point where its marginal cost curve intersects its marginal revenue curve. And because it is a monopsony in the labor market, it will hire more workers where the marginal revenue product of new workers is equal to the marginal expense of labor. (The marginal expense of labor is more than the marginal cost because a monopsonoid firm–yes, I spelled that correctly–is increasing the cost of labor as it hires more workers, just as a monopoloid firm lowers the price of its product by producing more).

Both attributes allow employers to make more profits in a segmented labor market than a non-segmented one. And as a result of game theory, which requires more explanation than I want to go into here, it is highly likely that in a realistic labor market discrimination will occur if it is the cultural norm.

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